Should progressives and social democrats support free trade?

[Daburuetchi]

Or maybe it's because their economies are geared solely toward the US and anyone who tries something different gets bombed

Source plox.

re Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Afghanistan, Democratic Republic Of the Congo, Nicaragua, Guatemala....

[The Liberated Territories]

Well, because neocolonial power structures are subsidized by the democratic bourgeois liberal military complex, I can not foresee an adequate conclusion to the protectionist poststructuralist paradigm that pervades the petit-masculinist power structure.

(Plus, "neocolonialism" sounds like a nonsense word whose definition is lost to the clear abstraction of the topic at hand.)

The definition of neocolonialism is quite clear it is the geopolitical practice of using capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to influence a country, in lieu of either direct military control. It's pretty telling when you do nothing to actually debate the points i raise. Nor do I think you would be so condescending if you were working in a sweatshop assembly a 5,000 piece phone for 18 hours a day and receiving 90 cents for it

In that case I can't defend the neoliberal hegemonic order of trickle down fascism by socializing the profits of the bourgeois... I do however belief structural advancements from a quasi utilitarian angle will transcend racial and class boundaries, ultimately destroying the corporatist paradigm of economic darwinism and liberating the lumpenproletariat from the alienation of their labor.

[Bentrada]

Source plox.

re Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Afghanistan, Democratic Republic Of the Congo, Nicaragua, Guatemala....

This isn't a source for your claims.

[Geilinor]

Free trade would be good in a fair world without neocolonial structures everywhere. I know Lula better than that and I am sure he agrees with me. Funny side note, America is the country with most import restrictions in the world.

So far you only have one example of "neocolonial" structure.

[Kelinfort]

The value of their labour is the market equilibrium.

According to David Ricardo "Possessing utility, commodities derive their exchangeable value from two sources: from their scarcity, and from the quantity of labor required to obtain them." This is not the same as market equilibrium

Oh, not the Marxist theory of labour.

Labourers are one component in production.

[Morr]

Nobody who actually represents the working class supports this type of free trade. Policies such as the TPP are very harmful to the working class and common people.

Free trade is only harmful to the working class of the first world and that's just temporary, nearly everyone in developing/third world countries have benefited from free trade.
http://www.theglobalist.com/the-real-winners-and-losers-of-globalization/

Yeah, they're functioning basically as scabs, not to say they're malicious.

[Daburuetchi]

The definition of neocolonialism is quite clear it is the geopolitical practice of using capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to influence a country, in lieu of either direct military control. It's pretty telling when you do nothing to actually debate the points i raise. Nor do I think you would be so condescending if you were working in a sweatshop assembly a 5,000 piece phone for 18 hours a day and receiving 90 cents for it

In that case I can't defend the neoliberal hegemonic order of trickle down fascism by socializing the profits of the bourgeois... I do however belief structural advancements from a quasi utilitarian angle will transcend racial and class boundaries, ultimately destroying the corporatist paradigm of economic darwinism and liberating the lumpenproletariat from the alienation of their labor.

[Daburuetchi]

According to David Ricardo "Possessing utility, commodities derive their exchangeable value from two sources: from their scarcity, and from the quantity of labor required to obtain them." This is not the same as market equilibrium

Oh, not the Marxist theory of labour.

Labourers are one component in production.

A theory may i remind you that was largely formulated by Adam Smith and David Ricardo. Regardless, it is evident that workers receive very little of the actual market worth of their products

[Bentrada]

In that case I can't defend the neoliberal hegemonic order of trickle down fascism by socializing the profits of the bourgeois... I do however belief structural advancements from a quasi utilitarian angle will transcend racial and class boundaries, ultimately destroying the corporatist paradigm of economic darwinism and liberating the lumpenproletariat from the alienation of their labor.

What relevance at all does this photo have to the topic of the thread?

[The Liberated Territories]

What relevance at all does this photo have to the topic of the thread?

Some always resort to emotional arguments when they cannot win a debate....tsk tsk tsk.

[Daburuetchi]

re Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Afghanistan, Democratic Republic Of the Congo, Nicaragua, Guatemala....

This isn't a source for your claims.

I'm assuming you haven't been living under a rock for the past 50 years and have the ability to remember events that are common knowledge. Do I need to read you "A babies guide to the Vietnam"war? "

[Daburuetchi]

What relevance at all does this photo have to the topic of the thread?

Some always resort to emotional arguments when they cannot win a debate....tsk tsk tsk.

You've literally said nothing other than gibberish heretofore and you accuse me of pathos appeals

[Bentrada]

This isn't a source for your claims.

I'm assuming you haven't been living under a rock for the past 50 years and have the ability to remember events that are common knowledge. Do I need to read you "A babies guide to the Vietnam"war? "

You still have not provided me a source for your claims. The burden of proof lies on you, friend, not me.

[Daburuetchi]

What relevance at all does this photo have to the topic of the thread?

Op was making light of the suffering of billions of people at the hands of imperialism and seems to criticizing a system where people die is anathema

[Daburuetchi]

I'm assuming you haven't been living under a rock for the past 50 years and have the ability to remember events that are common knowledge. Do I need to read you "A babies guide to the Vietnam"war? "

You still have not provided me a source for your claims. The burden of proof lies on you, friend, not me.

Do i really need to fucking explain to you that there were in fact no goddamn weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

[The Liberated Territories]

Some always resort to emotional arguments when they cannot win a debate....tsk tsk tsk.

You've literally said nothing other than gibberish heretofore and you accuse me of pathos appeals

Gibberish? Nonsense! My critique is primarily based in postmodernist critique of structural hierarchies, as formulated by John Lennon and Groucho Marx. You instead have continually ignored the premises of my arguments and switched to emotional appeals and fallacies.

[Bentrada]

You still have not provided me a source for your claims. The burden of proof lies on you, friend, not me.

Do i really need to fucking explain to you that there were in fact no goddamn weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

I don't really see a connection between WMDs in Iraq and free trade.

[Daburuetchi]

Do i really need to fucking explain to you that there were in fact no goddamn weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

I don't really see a connection between WMDs in Iraq and free trade.

WMDs were a causes belli to gain access to iraqi oil fields previously worked by state owned companies but now are occupied by us corporations who are gaining millions of dollars in profit while the iraqi people are being rapes, bombed and murder. Dat is the connection

[New Werpland]

I don't really see a connection between WMDs in Iraq and free trade.

WMDs were a causes belli to gain access to iraqi oil fields previously worked by state owned companies but now are occupied by us corporations who are gaining millions of dollars in profit while the iraqi people are being rapes, bombed and murder. Dat is the connection

That's corporatism.

[Dooom35796821595]

You've literally said nothing other than gibberish heretofore and you accuse me of pathos appeals

Gibberish? Nonsense! My critique is primarily based in postmodernist critique of structural hierarchies, as formulated by John Lennon and Groucho Marx. You instead have continually ignored the premises of my arguments and switched to emotional appeals and fallacies.

Gibberish, jargon, call it what you want but this is the general forum, most people don't have higher education in whatever your talking about. If you can't say it in plain English, don't say it at all.

[Daburuetchi]

WMDs were a causes belli to gain access to iraqi oil fields previously worked by state owned companies but now are occupied by us corporations who are gaining millions of dollars in profit while the iraqi people are being rapes, bombed and murder. Dat is the connection

That's corporatism.

No true Scotsman...

[The Liberated Territories]

That's corporatism.

No true Scotsman...

The USSR was socialist.

Watch this, folks.

[Daburuetchi]

No true Scotsman...

The USSR was socialist.

Watch this, folks.

Nice strawman tovarisch

[New Werpland]

That's corporatism.

No true Scotsman...

No, not really.

[Geilinor]

This isn't a source for your claims.

I'm assuming you haven't been living under a rock for the past 50 years and have the ability to remember events that are common knowledge. Do I need to read you "A babies guide to the Vietnam"war? "

Anyone can list random countries.
Why you're wrong:
China
South Korea
Singapore
Vietnam
India
Botswana
Chile (economic growth in past 25 years)
Germany
Japan
Taiwan
Panama (helped by free trade because of Panama Canal)