Hitlers legacy a few centuries from now

[Iwassoclose]

Like Genghis and his descendants, who are attributed to changing warfare and ushering a new age of trade, knowledge and commerce across the globe. In history books, all we see for the most part is that these guys went and conquered countries until they spanned from the pacific to almost the Atlantic. And they only managed this because they committed some of the most sickening shit I have ever heard of, yet for the most part I never hear about it talked about.

This rings true for other figures in history as well such as Alexander the Great and Napoleon.

Do you think time will also erase Hitlers activities with the Holocaust and show that he was a catalyst for change just like the above people to a new age?

[Socialist Cascadian States]

Hitler was an incredibly smart and manipulative man, he already has a cult following. However I don't think he achieved quite enough to be remembered as someone like Genghis Khan.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

He'll still be remembered for the Holocaust. No matter what revision, he will always be remembered for it. He will also be remembered as a total, unadulterated arsehole.

[Anollasia]

He'll still be remembered for the Holocaust. No matter what revision, he will always be remembered for it. He will also be remembered as a total, unadulterated arsehole.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Here is your answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dhSnEtdWw

[Zorbae]

I shan't imagine it shall be too different from what it is today. Hitler's atrocities are much more well documented than Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great, and are less likely to be corrupted to the point where he is seen as a 'good' historical figure.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not likely. The story of the world wars and subsequent cold war underpins our modern civilization.
It was the death of the old world and the birth of this one. It is our creation myth, as it were.
It will continue to be talked about until our society manages to get over it, and that might take a long time.

It is possible that Hitler will fall by the wayside in one of a few ways.

Firstly, a general collapse in international law and stability resulting in the rise of many more genocides than we already get, more wars, etc, meaning it becomes "Yeh, I mean, he's an asshole sure but... what's so special about him? And anyway, why shouldn't we exterminate the french, they're constantly attacking us and like the propoganda tells us, they are evil people. Sounds like this Hitler chap was just doing his best for his people."
This is a fairly grim scenario, and unlikely to occur given that no major power has an interest in it occurring and the existence of nuclear weapons makes it a bit of an impossibility.

Another option, something cataclysmic and defining happens to make us basically stop talking about it and start talking about something else. The war on terror and such ALMOST gets there, but again, because of the importance of world war one and two in shaping our planet, in order to understand the war on terror and why the middle east is such a clusterfuck, you need to at some point discuss the wars and decolonization and such. If some nukes go off somewhere, that might qualify.

Finally, we manage to get our shit together and improve as a culture enough that all the problems still floating around as a result of the war and all the abberant behaviors that lead to the mindsets just sort of fall by the wayside and there's no longer really a reason to discuss it or learn about it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hitler was an incredibly smart and manipulative man, he already has a cult following. However I don't think he achieved quite enough to be remembered as someone like Genghis Khan.

Not really.
There is a reason that the British and French strategy was initially
"Wait for Hitler to stick a fork in his toaster."

[The Serbian Empire]

Hitler's legacy won't change, but the other figures such as FDR might turn more negative as imprisoning the Japanese-Americans out of paranoia is just a step or two better than Hitler's concentration camps.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hitler's legacy won't change, but the other figures such as FDR might turn more negative as imprisoning the Japanese-Americans out of paranoia is just a step or two better than Hitler's concentration camps.

I think that what'll happen is our discussion of those figures will become a more general discussion of western civilization and it's faults at the time, and what those faults ultimately led to.

That's kind of why Hitlers legacy and the world wars are so important.

It's the moment western civilization, it's poor, it's middle class, it's elites, it's intellectuals, all realized something was really, really wrong with their culture if it was continuously resulting in world wars and mass murder.

Since then, our progress on fixing that culture has been steady and good, but a lot of the problems and attitudes still remain.

The reason Hitler is important is because even though a bunch of people were racist and authoritarian assholes who stood up to him, they saw in Hitler and the nazi regime the undermining of Western civilizations claim to moral authority.

He represents pretty much everything that wrong with western civilization at the time.

That FDR did stupid and evil shit too shouldn't be surprising as a result. So did Churchhill. So did most western governments.

[Xanatau]

It depends who's still around to talk about him 2 or 3 centuries from now. I'm neutral towards NS policies myself, but the war was a dysgenic mess. The Western world is a vacuum of manpower partly because millions of their best men slaughtered each other.

[Iwassoclose]

Hitler was an incredibly smart and manipulative man, he already has a cult following. However I don't think he achieved quite enough to be remembered as someone like Genghis Khan.

I think he has surpassed Genghis in terms of cultural saturation because of modern media.

[Cartagine]

Hitler will be remembered for being an ass, but only becouse we have pictures and video's about it.
There where many people throughout history that were considered assholes, yet they are remembered as great leaders becouse the things they did weren't captured on pictures and/or video.
Sad truth but that's just the way it is. People barely care when seeing pictures or video's about Hitlers actions, let alone them having to care about something that isn't even visualised for them. I do believe however that the whole "demon" image the world has of him now will become less as time passes on. New assholes will come and people will more or less forget about this one.

[Dumb Ideologies]

His historical footprint will eventually shrink to:

"His rule meant people died. A lot"

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Hitler will be remembered as a crazy man who lived in a bunker and could never find another guy named Fegelein. (its an old meme but it is still my favorite)

Now in all seriousness, and this is my complete opinion, I will say that any change in the viewing of Hitler would only be making him a foot note for the next big monster to come along. Now with that out of the way, Hitler's policies pretty much led Germany to her destruction thanks to advancements in warfare so that is not a positive thing. Who knows maybe Hitler will just be remembered as the guy who gave us a chance to test bombing another country, that is the most he can hope for. Unless Jews go back to being the 'international scapegoat for everything that is wrong in the world' sometime in the future, because of they do then Hitler would be heralded as a saint.

[The Huskar Social Union]

His historical footprint will eventually shrink to:

"His rule meant people died. A lot"

Yup.

[Kazarogkai]

He will eventually end up like Genghis khan and Timur. The very symbol of evil and of War of aggression for future generations until someone takes his place; when that has happened he will be mostly forgotten outside of his home and the areas he hurt. Just like Timur. He contributed nothing to humanity in any positive way. He has no temples, or great monuments, or priests to praise his name. For now he will be remembered for he holds the title. But the moment another surmounts him, the moment he is bested, he will eventually fall from the public mind and be forgotten just like Timur.

[The Serbian Empire]

Hitler's legacy won't change, but the other figures such as FDR might turn more negative as imprisoning the Japanese-Americans out of paranoia is just a step or two better than Hitler's concentration camps.

I think that what'll happen is our discussion of those figures will become a more general discussion of western civilization and it's faults at the time, and what those faults ultimately led to.

That's kind of why Hitlers legacy and the world wars are so important.

It's the moment western civilization, it's poor, it's middle class, it's elites, it's intellectuals, all realized something was really, really wrong with their culture if it was continuously resulting in world wars and mass murder.

Since then, our progress on fixing that culture has been steady and good, but a lot of the problems and attitudes still remain.

The reason Hitler is important is because even though a bunch of people were racist and authoritarian assholes who stood up to him, they saw in Hitler and the nazi regime the undermining of Western civilizations claim to moral authority.

He represents pretty much everything that wrong with western civilization at the time.

That FDR did stupid and evil shit too shouldn't be surprising as a result. So did Churchhill. So did most western governments.

The only reason the bad of those countries isn't seen in the same light is because the likes of the US and UK were the winners in the war. The outcome prevented the atrocities from seeing the light of day.

[Threlizdun]

Almost every other majorly influential warmongering despot has been heralded as a force of change once enough generations have passed that there are no longer people suffering from the immediate consequences of their actions. It will certainly take some time, but I see no reason to believe the same won't eventually be done for Hitler. Once we are far enough removed from what happened, the deaths just become numbers. It's terrible, but it's just an unfortunate consequence of how we evolved to see the world.

[Sun Wukong]

Here is your answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dhSnEtdWw

I was going to go with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJqEKYbh-LU

But sure.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

To compare Hitler, and the Khan of Khans is kind of insulting.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

He will eventually end up like Genghis khan and Timur. The very symbol of evil and of War of aggression for future generations until someone takes his place; when that has happened he will be mostly forgotten outside of his home and the areas he hurt. Just like Timur. He contributed nothing to humanity in any positive way. He has no temples, or great monuments, or priests to praise his name. For now he will be remembered for he holds the title. But the moment another surmounts him, the moment he is bested, he will eventually fall from the public mind and be forgotten just like Timur.

Timur in mind mind is actually a lot more negative influentially than Temujin since they actually waited for proper casus belli before declaring war.
Like this incident which starts the conquests of Temujin outside of the steppes.

A Mongol caravan of several hundred merchants approached a recently formed Khwarezmian Empire in Persia and Central Asia. That empire's sultan received them by having the chief of the envoys killed and the beards of the others burned, and he sent the other envoys back to Genghis Khan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_in ... e_conflict

[Eastern Equestria]

I think that what'll happen is our discussion of those figures will become a more general discussion of western civilization and it's faults at the time, and what those faults ultimately led to.

That's kind of why Hitlers legacy and the world wars are so important.

It's the moment western civilization, it's poor, it's middle class, it's elites, it's intellectuals, all realized something was really, really wrong with their culture if it was continuously resulting in world wars and mass murder.

Since then, our progress on fixing that culture has been steady and good, but a lot of the problems and attitudes still remain.

The reason Hitler is important is because even though a bunch of people were racist and authoritarian assholes who stood up to him, they saw in Hitler and the nazi regime the undermining of Western civilizations claim to moral authority.

He represents pretty much everything that wrong with western civilization at the time.

That FDR did stupid and evil shit too shouldn't be surprising as a result. So did Churchhill. So did most western governments.

The only reason the bad of those countries isn't seen in the same light is because the likes of the US and UK were the winners in the war. The outcome prevented the atrocities from seeing the light of day.

If they never saw the light of day, then how did this get passed by conservative leadership?

[CSN Founder]

Iwassoclose confirmed for being a "Nationalsocialist" apologist/sympathizer.

[The Serbian Empire]

The only reason the bad of those countries isn't seen in the same light is because the likes of the US and UK were the winners in the war. The outcome prevented the atrocities from seeing the light of day.

If they never saw the light of day, then how did this get passed by conservative leadership?

There were more horrors as reparations were not extended to other internment camp victims such as Germans and Italians in the US who were accused of being spies.