Are National Socialists making a comeback?

[Rio Cana]

If they are, I'm jettisoning myself into the sun.

If you are in Europe, you can migrate to the hemisphere of the free.

Tomorrow is our day, October 12. Here the anthem of the Americas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uErp6UwStk

[Arcturus Novus]

If they are, I'm jettisoning myself into the sun.

If you are in Europe, you can migrate to the hemisphere of the free.

Tomorrow is our day, October 12. Here the anthem of the Americas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uErp6UwStk

I live in the US. There's enough right-wing extremists here apart from the neonazis that make me want to fly into the surface of out home star on a daily basis.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I would blame it on the european left and EU for its irresponsible mass immigration and multi-kulti project whicj cost to much resources but do not help anybody.

Except, of course, for the thousands upon thousands of refugees that need our help. But hey, why care for them, right?

[Arcturus Novus]

I would blame it on the european left and EU for its irresponsible mass immigration and multi-kulti project whicj cost to much resources but do not help anybody.

Except, of course, for the thousands upon thousands of refugees that need our help. But hey, why care for them, right?

Fuck refugees. It's not like they're people or anything.

[Roderia]

If you are in Europe, you can migrate to the hemisphere of the free.

Tomorrow is our day, October 12. Here the anthem of the Americas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uErp6UwStk

I live in the US. There's enough right-wing extremists here apart from the neonazis that make me want to fly into the surface of out home star on a daily basis.

You can migrate to my hemisphere of the free...
'Straya!

[Iberonia]

No, but if they were, it would be the duty of all members of society to remove them from the political dialogue through endless ridicule.

This.
Interspersed with actual explanations of why they are wrong, of course.

For one thing, trying to appeal to their value set might work if you can get them to understand why interbreeding and such benefits the tribe.

You want the white race to be strong for all our descendents and such, yeh?

Do you know about evolution and virus immunity?

Let me tell you a story.

etc.

If you point out that geographically, the arabic nations are best suited for virus immunity due to interbreeding and being, well, in the middle bit. While we're relatively isolated from the rest of the world by contrast, you can basically point out their plan amounts to us all fucking dying of viral infections or whatever in a few centuries when some super-virus from the "mongrel races" wipes us all out and gives them a mild cough, and ofcourse we should be more active in integrating people than the arab nations and such, because we need to keep up.

To keep the white race strong.

There.

Hopefully that would shut them up.

But I doubt it. maybe some.

It would be quite funny to see racists demanding people fuck ethnic minorities more often for the glory of the white race.

Your idea is quite literally insanity. Advocating mixed race breeding for some marginal health benefit that may or may not manifest itself in future offspring. It is people like you that horrify and push away those in Europe that still have some ounce of respect for their heritage. No one will attempt to mix races with other races based on suggestion, subtle or not. Why can't Europeans be allowed to stay homogeneous? Is it some perverse desire to see them become darker over time, or just to destroy their culture for shit's and giggles? You people put science on a pedestal and misuse it to justify your insane political and societal beliefs, ignoring all the other valid data on how migrants into Europe are detrimental to the social stability of their host and cause much more crime on average than elsewhere. But that's okay, your disgusting social experiment is worth more than the integrity of entire nations.

If you think you can ever push others to mate with a certain race for some vague immunological benefit, you are going to hit the concrete floor faster than you can say cuckold.

[USS Monitor]

These people are not directly National Socialists or even Fascists. They're too chaotic for such ideologies.

You say that as if the Nazis weren't chaotic...

[Dumb Ideologies]

These people are not directly National Socialists or even Fascists. They're too chaotic for such ideologies.

You say that as if the Nazis weren't chaotic...

Nazis are a bit like mullets - business up front, party in the back.

[Rio Cana]

If you are in Europe, you can migrate to the hemisphere of the free.

Tomorrow is our day, October 12. Here the anthem of the Americas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uErp6UwStk

I live in the US. There's enough right-wing extremists here apart from the neonazis that make me want to fly into the surface of out home star on a daily basis.

The US is large so move to a state/region with more of your political leanings.

[Russo-Byzantine Empire]

I don't think so, but if they do, I hope at we can count on the monarchs of the world to keep the neo Nazis out of power through vetoes. The Republics, though, are boned.

[New confederate ramenia]

People on the internet have low self-esteem a lot of the time because they have no life or accomplishments. National socialism gives them something to feel really good about, something to take a lot of pride in, namely their race. It might become more and more popular in Europe apart from the internet, but only if people continue to lose meaning and sense of self-worth to the point that they need to be proud of their race or else living is extremely painful.

This is the problem. Conditions in Europe are bad enough that people need an alternative, and that alternative is Nazism.

[USS Monitor]

It's the way the info was presented. It was done with more emphasis on the emotional impact and moral message than on providing facts and keeping things impartial. There was no subtlety about it, no consideration for the moral complexity of people being stuck in an authoritarian system where they had little to no power. Since this was before the Milgram experiments, there was no understanding of or appreciation for how difficult it is for people to stand up against authority figures, even when their conscience tells them the authorities are wrong. They weren't just telling people what happened. They were literally running ads showing images of the camps and saying "This is your fault." Not, "This is a Nazi death camp." "This is your fault." That's not just distributing info. It's not fair and balanced. It's an opinion, not a fact.

Fair point but to a considerable extent, people did actually support the Nazi regime quite enthusiastically, even despite having little power under the Nazi system. There were Germans who, although they certainly didn't actively participate in the Holocaust personally, were quite supportive of efforts to weed out Jews and other undesirables, even helping to denounce those whom they felt were guilty of crimes against the State. How many opposed the crushing of parliamentary democracy? How many actually supported the Machtergreifung? Certainly a sizeable majority in the case of the latter. It doesn't seem to fit the narrative of the German people being held captive by a band of wicked men at the top either.

This then poses a dilemma: Is simply stating the facts as they are adequate enough to ensure something like Nazism cannot rise again? Is it necessary and justifiable to ensure that the targeted people in question are made to feel some degree of guilt and collective responsibility for the atrocities committed by their country, no matter how small a role they played?

Some propaganda is useful, and even where it went a little overboard, I can understand why. I don't blame anyone for wanting to do everything in their power to prevent another WWII.

I'd like to point out, though, the Nazis never got a majority of the popular vote in any election that wasn't rigged. So no, it was not a sizable majority that supported them coming to power. Based on the number of people who voted Nazi in the preceding elections, it was probably around 40 to 45% -- which is too many, but not a majority. Once Hitler was in power, some of what he did was popular and some of it wasn't. Rearmament, Anschluss, and the Nazis' building projects (e.g. the Autobahn) were generally popular. Basically anything that could strengthen Germany's position without a major war, people were cool with. People were less enthusiastic about the invasion of Poland. I've read accounts from both German and American witnesses who were in the Reich at the time and agreed on this. I'm not sure how much support there was for the various programs persecuting minorities. There were certainly some very vocal supporters, but it's hard to judge what proportion of the population they were. Nobody was collecting reliable polling data, and I haven't been able to get a clear idea from witness accounts.

[New confederate ramenia]

If you are in Europe, you can migrate to the hemisphere of the free.

Tomorrow is our day, October 12. Here the anthem of the Americas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uErp6UwStk

I live in the US. There's enough right-wing extremists here apart from the neonazis that make me want to fly into the surface of out home star on a daily basis.

Try moving to South America, like the Nazis did. Or North Africa, East Europe, Central Asia and Middle East? I'm sure those places are all better than the surface of the sun.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

People on the internet have low self-esteem a lot of the time because they have no life or accomplishments. National socialism gives them something to feel really good about, something to take a lot of pride in, namely their race. It might become more and more popular in Europe apart from the internet, but only if people continue to lose meaning and sense of self-worth to the point that they need to be proud of their race or else living is extremely painful.

This is the problem. Conditions in Europe are bad enough that people need an alternative, and that alternative is Nazism.

The alternative is something that'll make our problems even worse and create lots of new problems? No thanks.

[New confederate ramenia]

This is the problem. Conditions in Europe are bad enough that people need an alternative, and that alternative is Nazism.

The alternative is something that'll make our problems even worse and create lots of new problems? No thanks.

Eh, not really. The current political situation in countries like Sweden and the UK is pretty bad, and "far-right" parties are just a way for the common people to voice their concerns.

[Rio Cana]

I live in the US. There's enough right-wing extremists here apart from the neonazis that make me want to fly into the surface of out home star on a daily basis.

Try moving to South America, like the Nazis did. Or North Africa, East Europe, Central Asia and Middle East? I'm sure those places are all better than the surface of the sun.

Plenty of leftish also moved to South America. And why is Eastern Europe in that list.

[USS Monitor]

This.
Interspersed with actual explanations of why they are wrong, of course.

For one thing, trying to appeal to their value set might work if you can get them to understand why interbreeding and such benefits the tribe.

You want the white race to be strong for all our descendents and such, yeh?

Do you know about evolution and virus immunity?

Let me tell you a story.

etc.

If you point out that geographically, the arabic nations are best suited for virus immunity due to interbreeding and being, well, in the middle bit. While we're relatively isolated from the rest of the world by contrast, you can basically point out their plan amounts to us all fucking dying of viral infections or whatever in a few centuries when some super-virus from the "mongrel races" wipes us all out and gives them a mild cough, and ofcourse we should be more active in integrating people than the arab nations and such, because we need to keep up.

To keep the white race strong.

There.

Hopefully that would shut them up.

But I doubt it. maybe some.

It would be quite funny to see racists demanding people fuck ethnic minorities more often for the glory of the white race.

Your idea is quite literally insanity. Advocating mixed race breeding for some marginal health benefit that may or may not manifest itself in future offspring. It is people like you that horrify and push away those in Europe that still have some ounce of respect for their heritage. No one will attempt to mix races with other races based on suggestion, subtle or not. Why can't Europeans be allowed to stay homogeneous? Is it some perverse desire to see them become darker over time, or just to destroy their culture for shit's and giggles? You people put science on a pedestal and misuse it to justify your insane political and societal beliefs, ignoring all the other valid data on how migrants into Europe are detrimental to the social stability of their host and cause much more crime on average than elsewhere. But that's okay, your disgusting social experiment is worth more than the integrity of entire nations.

If you think you can ever push others to mate with a certain race for some vague immunological benefit, you are going to hit the concrete floor faster than you can say cuckold.

The immunological benefit is negligible anyway. There is already a large enough population, enough genetic diversity, and good enough medical care within Europe that there is no serious risk of a virus wiping everyone out.

And Ostro is wrong about Arabs being best situated for natural immunity to viral infections. Africa has more genetic diversity and would therefore have the lowest odds of being completely wiped out. They tend to get a lot of outbreaks of diseases because they have crappy sanitation and so on, but that doesn't mean they have weaker immune systems. It's still not enough to really matter, since there is more genetic variation within races than between races.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Hardly, NatSocs are no where close to power anywhere.

[Halfblakistan]

Not worried. I'm antifa & proud.

https://latuffcartoons.files.wordpress. ... antifa.gif

In my country -the US- the radical right has seen a resurgence since Obama was elected. Check any Southern Poverty Law Center date & you'll see what I mean.

But what I'm more worried about is the infiltration of fascist sympathies in mainstream reactionary circles. The so-called Conservative Citizens' Councils -heirs to the White Citizens Councils of the '60s- have received support from right-wing scumbags such as Mike Huckabee and others. The creeping neoliberal fascism of mainstream Republicans and some Blue-Dog Democrats worries me more than bands of skinhead militias, because most people don't take the latter seriously.

Even otherwise well-intentioned white liberals shouting "All Lives Matter" at civil rights rallies concern me.

[Risottia]

These people are not directly National Socialists or even Fascists. They're too chaotic for such ideologies.

You say that as if the Nazis weren't chaotic...

Yeah, there's this myth about Nazis being well-organised and ordered. If I were to select a country as an example of good organisation at the time, I'd say Britain (the ultimate anarchists, basically), followed by the Soviets (who didn't even take a dump without having planned it before).

Hardly, NatSocs are no where close to power anywhere.

Well, maybe except for Hungary and Ukraine, where they are quite dangerously close.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Not worried. I'm antifa & proud.

https://latuffcartoons.files.wordpress. ... antifa.gif

In my country -the US- the radical right has seen a resurgence since Obama was elected. Check any Southern Poverty Law Center date & you'll see what I mean.

But what I'm more worried about is the infiltration of fascist sympathies in mainstream reactionary circles. The so-called Conservative Citizens' Councils -heirs to the White Citizens Councils of the '60s- have received support from right-wing scumbags such as Mike Huckabee and others. The creeping neoliberal fascism of mainstream Republicans and some Blue-Dog Democrats worries me more than bands of skinhead militias, because most people don't take the latter seriously.

Even otherwise well-intentioned white liberals shouting "All Lives Matter" at civil rights rallies concern me.

You poured so many US-specific political slang terms in that piece, I can't even read it properly. Could you use the general agreed-upon terms of the political groups you are describing?

[Taruda]

I would blame it on the european left and EU for its irresponsible mass immigration and multi-kulti project whicj cost to much resources but do not help anybody.

Except, of course, for the thousands upon thousands of refugees that need our help. But hey, why care for them, right?

Except they are not refugees but immigrants. We own them nothing, nor have we invited them, nor are we responsible for their problems (why does not Saudi Arabia or Qatar care for them?). The Europeans governments are responsible to their people and tax payers, not to foreigners.

[Jumalariik]

Only in Hungary.

Didn't the True finns win the elections in finland, and I forget the name of the one in France, but arent they making a massive comeback?

No three of those groups are Nazis. I like how people right wing of somebody are nazis, and those left of them are commies.

Front National, True Finns and Jobbik are not neo-nazis, though they are far-right.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Except, of course, for the thousands upon thousands of refugees that need our help. But hey, why care for them, right?

Except they are not refugees but immigrants. We own them nothing, nor have we invited them, nor are we responsible for their problems (why does not Saudi Arabia or Qatar care for them?). The Europeans governments are responsible to their people and tax payers, not to foreigners.

Except, they are not immigrants, but refugees. They seek refuge from a war-torn country. Therefore, they are refugees. I could sight the 1951 convention to you again, but I have already buried you neck-deep in it. We don't need to invite them. They can come, in accordance with international law. We are obliged to help the. Europe is partially responsible for the shit storm, and we have benefited greatly from their exploitation in the past. The European governments have a responsibility to their citizens, yes. But we have moral obligations to the refugees, too. Besides, as I have already shown you before, refugees benefit a nation in the long run.

[Jumalariik]

The trouble is that in the West, political dialogue is so restricted at this point. I would say that any political statement that does not contain obvious epithets or insults should be acceptable on the public square of debate so that it can be dissected.
It is ridiculous that we shout people down from their views when they pay taxes and should thus have the right to their opinions no matter how ridiculous. It is funny that at many schools one could be put in detention for respectfully bringing up political arguments, schooling should expand people's minds and make people understand the world better, not make them simply buy into idiotic views like Critical Race Theory.

Now, National Socialism is an ideology that has been used reprehensibly, however, in the modern day, nationalism is frowned upon and nations are insulted for their low immigration rates. If a nation wants to keep itself without immigrants, though it is dumb, it should be allowed to do so without people criticizing it.