Are National Socialists making a comeback?

[Tafhan]

A big thing going on in Europe that seems to have gained people's attention is the apparent rise in far-right political causes and ideology. According to some, the rise is actually a 50% increase for far right/ultranationalists/national socialist parties in elections continent-wide.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12570

In addition to this, I've personally noticed, attitudes of people on the internet seem to be increasing alarmingly in support for this kind of thing. You get people identifying as "National Socialists" or something of the like, everywhere now from forums to comment sections. Even now if you speak out against them you get flooded with apologists from their ranks and probably run the risk of something happening.

My question isn't whether this is a good thing or not. But whether it's important that these groups seem to be increasing. Is it important? Will it last? Is it dangerous?

Personally, I don't think it's pretty worrisome. and if they get into power they will kill plenty of people. I'm going to take a stretch and say some will be innocent. But hey, if it comes to that, no one can stop them, and even now, no one can really change their minds as they're spreading their dogma around. But at this point, I still think that they're fringe...I think.

[-Ebola-]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

[Anollasia]

I hope not.

[Tafhan]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

But you can't talk back to them even now or else you get flooded with their like-minded comrades.

In that sense, I almost think that it might be too late.

[Neu Leonstein]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

Especially because so many people outside of Germany have difficulty identifying the Nazi phenomenon for what it was. They think it was some sort of crazy fringe group... it was, but it became powerful because it promised the conservative middle classes what they wanted. Order and orderliness and a rejection of everything that seems a bit foreign or unusual as "just not right" and therefore worthy of extinction. Not everyone who ended up supporting the Nazi government was about weird occultism or even about Germany ruling the world. They ended up agreeing with the government's policies because it "cleaned up" the streets and fought back against an imagined threat to what they thought to be German society from within as well as without.

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

The thing is that because in the English-speaking world especially there is this tendency to portray Nazi Germany as inherently different and foreign (note in particular the absolute insistence on not translating German words to do with such things... from Blitzkrieg to Fuehrer to Lebensraum to Untermensch), I think there are many people who don't even realise that they are basically talking straight from the Nazi playbook.

[Tafhan]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

Especially because so many people outside of Germany have difficulty identifying the Nazi phenomenon for what it was. They think it was some sort of crazy fringe group... it was, but it became powerful because it promised the conservative middle classes what they wanted. Order and orderliness and a rejection of everything that seems a bit foreign or unusual as "just not right" and therefore worthy of extinction. Not everyone who ended up supporting the Nazi government was about weird occultism or even about Germany ruling the world. They ended up agreeing with the government's policies because it "cleaned up" the streets and fought back against an imagined threat to what they thought to be German society from within as well as without.

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

The thing is that because in the English-speaking world especially there is this tendency to portray Nazi Germany as inherently different and foreign (note in particular the absolute insistence on not translating German words to do with such things... from Blitzkrieg to Fuehrer to Lebensraum to Untermensch), I think there are many people who don't even realise that they are basically talking straight from the Nazi playbook.

But will people notice this in time, do you think? In NS, even, their whole presence is pretty ubiquitous, especially in recent times.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Excellent! There is nothing I like better than to show them all I have accomplished with my 'inferior mongrel blood'.

[Morr]

People on the internet have low self-esteem a lot of the time because they have no life or accomplishments. National socialism gives them something to feel really good about, something to take a lot of pride in, namely their race. It might become more and more popular in Europe apart from the internet, but only if people continue to lose meaning and sense of self-worth to the point that they need to be proud of their race or else living is extremely painful.

[Morr]

And there's also just an increasing amount of frustration in regard to people being downtrodden by business owners and politicians. The more liberalism continues to be ineffective, the more a more radical solution will be turned to.

[-Ebola-]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

But you can't talk back to them even now or else you get flooded with their like-minded comrades.

In that sense, I almost think that it might be too late.

It's never too late. Even if they get into power, it's still possible to overthrow them. It's just much less costly in terms of bloodshed, property damage, and military expenses if you can stop them from getting into power in the first place.

When it comes to talking back to them, I would just recommend being mindful of HOW you talk to them. Try to be patient and explain WHY they're wrong instead of just telling them they're wrong and getting into a mudslinging match.

[-Ebola-]

They are still fringe now, but if you want to be safe from them in the long run, it's better to take this stuff seriously before they become too powerful. Human evolution is slow, so there's no reason why modern people aren't capable of the same atrocities as 20th century people.

Especially because so many people outside of Germany have difficulty identifying the Nazi phenomenon for what it was. They think it was some sort of crazy fringe group... it was, but it became powerful because it promised the conservative middle classes what they wanted. Order and orderliness and a rejection of everything that seems a bit foreign or unusual as "just not right" and therefore worthy of extinction. Not everyone who ended up supporting the Nazi government was about weird occultism or even about Germany ruling the world. They ended up agreeing with the government's policies because it "cleaned up" the streets and fought back against an imagined threat to what they thought to be German society from within as well as without.

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

The thing is that because in the English-speaking world especially there is this tendency to portray Nazi Germany as inherently different and foreign (note in particular the absolute insistence on not translating German words to do with such things... from Blitzkrieg to Fuehrer to Lebensraum to Untermensch), I think there are many people who don't even realise that they are basically talking straight from the Nazi playbook.

I think that's a fair assessment. One possible approach to curb the rise of far-right groups is to provide order and stability from more moderate sources. There are some legitimate concerns mixed in with the racist bullshit, and if we can address the legitimate concerns, that will give people less reason to turn to these extremist groups.

[-Ebola-]

Especially because so many people outside of Germany have difficulty identifying the Nazi phenomenon for what it was. They think it was some sort of crazy fringe group... it was, but it became powerful because it promised the conservative middle classes what they wanted. Order and orderliness and a rejection of everything that seems a bit foreign or unusual as "just not right" and therefore worthy of extinction. Not everyone who ended up supporting the Nazi government was about weird occultism or even about Germany ruling the world. They ended up agreeing with the government's policies because it "cleaned up" the streets and fought back against an imagined threat to what they thought to be German society from within as well as without.

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

The thing is that because in the English-speaking world especially there is this tendency to portray Nazi Germany as inherently different and foreign (note in particular the absolute insistence on not translating German words to do with such things... from Blitzkrieg to Fuehrer to Lebensraum to Untermensch), I think there are many people who don't even realise that they are basically talking straight from the Nazi playbook.

But will people notice this in time, do you think? In NS, even, their whole presence is pretty ubiquitous, especially in recent times.

I actually think there are fewer Nazis on NS now than there were when I joined 5 years ago.

[The New Sea Territory]

No, but if they were, it would be the duty of all members of society to remove them from the political dialogue through endless ridicule.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

But will people notice this in time, do you think? In NS, even, their whole presence is pretty ubiquitous, especially in recent times.

I actually think there are fewer Nazis on NS now than there were when I joined 5 years ago.

The path for them here is narrow due to the nature of our rules. Few of them can abide by them for long.

[Krasny-Volny]

During summers on NSG, at least.

[Jochistan]

Yes, they are. They will take over Europe. and Many people will die. The means to prevent this would be cracking down on Natsocs, but there are obviously serious problems of censorship of free expression and biased judgement with that. And even I see that censorship of their views is morally wrong.

In other words, there is virtually nothing we can do about them.

[Geilinor]

Only in Hungary.

[Krasny-Volny]

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

If we could use NS as a yardstick to measure the real breakdown of socio-political attitudes in the world, then we are truly doomed.

Dooooooooomed.

[Jochistan]

Only in Hungary.

Didn't the True finns win the elections in finland, and I forget the name of the one in France, but arent they making a massive comeback?

[Tafhan]

A lot of those things and sentiments are around today. Just spend an hour in the "European migrants megathread" and you know what I mean.

If we could use NS as a yardstick to measure the real breakdown of socio-political attitudes in the world, then we are truly doomed.

Dooooooooomed.

So the Internet isn't an accurate place to measure the views of the average person, you don't think?

[Jochistan]

If we could use NS as a yardstick to measure the real breakdown of socio-political attitudes in the world, then we are truly doomed.

Dooooooooomed.

So the Internet isn't an accurate place to measure the views of the average person, you don't think?

What? no, The internet isn't (Election results are though).

[Krasny-Volny]

If we could use NS as a yardstick to measure the real breakdown of socio-political attitudes in the world, then we are truly doomed.

Dooooooooomed.

So the Internet isn't an accurate place to measure the views of the average person, you don't think?

Which mod has that thing in their signature about how anonymity + audience turns a normal person into a garbage-spewing piece of shit?

That's what the Internet is. Anon status and audience.

[Gauthier]

Excellent! There is nothing I like better than to show them all I have accomplished with my 'inferior mongrel blood'.

Porn with Aryan women?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I think they are becoming a legitimate threat - it's very worrisome. And it means that we need to step up ANTIFA action by any means necessary.

[Napkiraly]

So the Internet isn't an accurate place to measure the views of the average person, you don't think?

Which mod has that thing in their signature about how anonymity + audience turns a normal person into a garbage-spewing piece of shit?

That's what the Internet is. Anon status and audience.

Ah, the good ol' Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.