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Joe McCarthy or Huey Long?

Postby Draica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:11 pm

Which one of these American politician is the most cunning, deceptive, and manipulative out of these two?

And which one had more of a lasting impact on American history?

And which one would you want to be alive today?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:18 pm

McCarthy had the longest lasting impact. There's no such thing as Longism. But McCarthyism exists. That being said Long probably could have beaten FDR from within his own party with the policies if it wasn't for the assassination.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:20 pm

Draica wrote:Which one of these American politician is the most cunning, deceptive, and manipulative out of these two?

And which one had more of a lasting impact on American history?

And which one would you want to be alive today?

McCarthy had the most lasting impact, by far. Long is largely relegated to the dustbin of history.

Neither. Both were raving mad loons.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:23 pm

Huey Long (McCarthy went too far, things got way outside his control. Long I feel was much more control of the situation) Joe McCarthy, and Huey Long respectively.

The middle answer is the only one I can really expand on, so lets go for that. While Long's influence has been incredibly important on Louisiana and the country, especially with regards to public works and education, the effect of what McCarthy did to US politics is still in full force today. He wasn't of course, the first red hunter, but he was one of the most vitriolic, and we still see people being denounced as "communists" today, the intent being that this will discredit and embarrass them. The witch hunts aren't quite as strong as they were back then, and the country seems to be warming up to leftist policies (hi Bernie!), but there's still a fair amount of hostility, especially towards anything to the left of social democracy, that won't be going away soon.

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Postby The Patrimony of Saint Peter » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:25 pm

I like both, but I'd say McCarthy had the greatest impact and legacy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:34 pm

McCarthy had more of an impact, I'd rather have neither alive today.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Merizoc wrote:Huey Long (McCarthy went too far, things got way outside his control. Long I feel was much more control of the situation) Joe McCarthy, and Huey Long respectively.

The middle answer is the only one I can really expand on, so lets go for that. While Long's influence has been incredibly important on Louisiana and the country, especially with regards to public works and education, the effect of what McCarthy did to US politics is still in full force today. He wasn't of course, the first red hunter, but he was one of the most vitriolic, and we still see people being denounced as "communists" today, the intent being that this will discredit and embarrass them. The witch hunts aren't quite as strong as they were back then, and the country seems to be warming up to leftist policies (hi Bernie!), but there's still a fair amount of hostility, especially towards anything to the left of social democracy, that won't be going away soon.

I don't even think Social Democracy is viewed favorably in the US because of McCarthy. It's capitalist or filthy commie to many of the GOP.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:40 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Huey Long (McCarthy went too far, things got way outside his control. Long I feel was much more control of the situation) Joe McCarthy, and Huey Long respectively.

The middle answer is the only one I can really expand on, so lets go for that. While Long's influence has been incredibly important on Louisiana and the country, especially with regards to public works and education, the effect of what McCarthy did to US politics is still in full force today. He wasn't of course, the first red hunter, but he was one of the most vitriolic, and we still see people being denounced as "communists" today, the intent being that this will discredit and embarrass them. The witch hunts aren't quite as strong as they were back then, and the country seems to be warming up to leftist policies (hi Bernie!), but there's still a fair amount of hostility, especially towards anything to the left of social democracy, that won't be going away soon.

I don't even think Social Democracy is viewed favorably in the US because of McCarthy. It's capitalist or filthy commie to many of the GOP.

Well yes, I said there was much more hostility towards stuff further left of that but that resistance to it still exists. But one can't deny it's starting to take hold in the mainstream.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:41 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I don't even think Social Democracy is viewed favorably in the US because of McCarthy. It's capitalist or filthy commie to many of the GOP.

Well yes, I said there was much more hostility towards stuff further left of that but that resistance to it still exists. But one can't deny it's starting to take hold in the mainstream.

I wouldn't call it mainstream until the GOP starts picking up lines from it as to stay politically viable.
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Postby Draica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:42 pm

Huey Long had quite a grip over Louisana, wouldn't you say? He was more like the dictator of that state than the Governor, that wasn't the case with McCarthy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:45 pm

Draica wrote:Huey Long had quite a grip over Louisana, wouldn't you say? He was more like the dictator of that state than the Governor, that wasn't the case with McCarthy.


McCarthy was one of the driving factors behind nonsense like the Red Scare and all the downsides that came with it. He sadly had a much more lasting impact on the country.
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:23 pm

Huey Long was awesome. His share our wealth program was a great idea and he openly denounced racism. Unfortunately, McCarthy had more power than Long ever did.
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