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This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

This belongs in the megathread. Request for it to be moved please.

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

Their is no excuse for Hamas's attacks. They are just pointless violence that escalates the situation and cause more suffering.

Terricon wrote:This belongs in the megathread. Request for it to be moved please.

Okay, where do I go?

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

all that video shown was 2 thug attack an innocent soldier try to get better propaganda mate

Est du Canada wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

all that video shown was 2 thug attack an innocent soldier try to get better propaganda mate

Women thugs? Seriously?

The Romulan Republic wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

Their is no excuse for Hamas's attacks. They are just pointless violence that escalates the situation and cause more suffering.

Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

Both sides are bad, none of them fight for a good cause and only adds to the suffering of the Civilians. Hell even Syria and Iran no longer trust Hamas.

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:

Est du Canada wrote:all that video shown was 2 thug attack an innocent soldier try to get better propaganda mate

Women thugs? Seriously?

yes i saw those 2 girls hitting the soldier

Est du Canada wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Women thugs? Seriously?

yes i saw those 2 girls hitting the soldier

Yes, as he tried to STRANGLE a boy on one of the women's laps....

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:

Est du Canada wrote:yes i saw those 2 girls hitting the soldier

Yes, as he tried to STRANGLE a boy on one of the women's laps....

the 2 girls were attacking before he grabbed the boy

Krajstali wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

Both sides are bad, none of them fight for a good cause and only adds to the suffering of the Civilians. Hell even Syria and Iran no longer trust Hamas.

I suppose it just returns to the question of equity, is it fair that the Israeli population should suffer, and is it fair for the Palestinians to suffer, and if neither is fair, then why have a Government that only allows for the suffering of either one or the other or even both as opposed to finding concrete solutions to counter any future threats, I mean decades ago the Gaza Israeli border was as open as the Canadian-American border and peace was the law, but now, we're seeing violence escalate through terrorist attacks and counter military reprisals...

Est du Canada wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Yes, as he tried to STRANGLE a boy on one of the women's laps....

the 2 girls were attacking before he grabbed the boy

They were trying to hold the Soldier back from grabbing the boy. I don't see how the soldier is innocent especially if out of all the people that were there he took hold of a boy. Also the Soldier is clearly the only one with a gun in the situation whereas everyone is unarmed.

CTALNH wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Their is no excuse for Hamas's attacks. They are just pointless violence that escalates the situation and cause more suffering.

Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

Their is no quick solution, as painful and unfair as that may be. And if by "take their lands back", you mean "Israel no longer exists", well, that's not going to happen short of an exceptionally horrific war, because if it came to it Israel would probably break out nukes.

You're going to need less extreme leadership on both sides and gradual deescalation, probably under the guidance of an outside mediator (unfortunately, I'm not sure the US or the west generally has much credibility in that role now).

CTALNH wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Their is no excuse for Hamas's attacks. They are just pointless violence that escalates the situation and cause more suffering.

Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

If Hamas was in the best interest of all Palestinians, they would set up a organized government, cooperate with Palestine leadership to help protect the people. They would stop launching missiles into Israel, and attempt to negotiate with Israel.

Krajstali wrote:

Est du Canada wrote:the 2 girls were attacking before he grabbed the boy

They were trying to hold the Soldier back from grabbing the boy. I don't see how the soldier is innocent especially if out of all the people that were there he took hold of a boy. Also the Soldier is clearly the only one with a gun in the situation whereas everyone is unarmed.

The voice of reason speaks with sense.

Est du Canada wrote:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:This is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen yet...
How on Earth can this happen? I mean a full grown man choke holding an eleven year old boy WITH A BROKEN ARM???
This is despicable, it makes me sick because this is the same army that I supported against Hamas, but now if this is what they do... Then maybe those attacks weren't so bad afterall...

all that video shown was 2 thug attack an innocent soldier try to get better propaganda mate

No video there.
Just a picture of an Israeli occupier choking a small boy, and another picture of a little girl biting his hand while he sits on top of the boy and two women try to pull him off.

Your response reminds me why I should never feel sympathy towards Israelis.

The Israeli soldier didn't go far enough in my view, the child and all of the women should've been arrested so they'll think twice about setting up or attending another protest. There should be no tolerance for Palestinian activism in Israel. The citizens of that nation should all be on the same page that they aren't going anywhere and the Arabs can cry and whine about wanting to expel the Jews into the sea of Galilee all they want, but it'll never happen.

Palakistan wrote:

CTALNH wrote:Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

If Hamas was in the best interest of all Palestinians, they would set up a organized government, cooperate with Palestine leadership to help protect the people. They would stop launching missiles into Israel, and attempt to negotiate with Israel.

Emm they already tried that with Clinton being the mediator and the Israelis back out last minute?


The Israelis are unlawfully oppressing and occupying Palestinian land. You think they want to negotiate paying or giving any reimbursement or lands back?

Palakistan wrote:

CTALNH wrote:Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

If Hamas was in the best interest of all Palestinians, they would set up a organized government, cooperate with Palestine leadership to help protect the people. They would stop launching missiles into Israel, and attempt to negotiate with Israel.

Hamas is far from having the best interest of the people at heart, they only exist for the destruction of the state of Israel, and as such is a terrorist organisation... However, the Israeli military seems to be a tad bit aggressive and uses excessive force in their missions, so much so that it's erasing the perception of being the victim and instead painting them as just as bad as the terrorists who attack them in the first place...

The Romulan Republic wrote:

CTALNH wrote:Okay if violent struggle does nothing and peaceful struggle does an even bigger nothing how the heck should the Palestinians take their lands back?

Their is no quick solution, as painful and unfair as that may be. And if by "take their lands back", you mean "Israel no longer exists", well, that's not going to happen short of an exceptionally horrific war, because if it came to it Israel would probably break out nukes.

You're going to need less extreme leadership on both sides and gradual deescalation, probably under the guidance of an outside mediator (unfortunately, I'm not sure the US or the west generally has much credibility in that role now).

Already said the US tried that it failed not by the Hamas but by the fucking Israelis backing out of the deal.

Deuxtete wrote:

Est du Canada wrote:all that video shown was 2 thug attack an innocent soldier try to get better propaganda mate

No video there.
Just a picture of an Israeli occupier choking a small boy, and another picture of a little girl biting his hand while he sits on top of the boy and two women try to pull him off.

Your response reminds me why I should never feel sympathy towards Israelis.

like the greatest civil right leader said - “Israel… is one of the great outposts of democracy in the world,”
- Martin Luther King
that why i support it because of democracy

CTALNH wrote:Already said the US tried that it failed not by the Hamas but by the fucking Israelis backing out of the deal.

If Israel backed out of a deal, it must've been bad for them if they agreed. Unlike the US which enters into detrimental deals like NAFTA, Israel is smarter than to agree to what will hurt them more in the long term. If they are the ones with leverage, why not use it to their further advantage?

Est du Canada wrote:

Deuxtete wrote:No video there.
Just a picture of an Israeli occupier choking a small boy, and another picture of a little girl biting his hand while he sits on top of the boy and two women try to pull him off.

Your response reminds me why I should never feel sympathy towards Israelis.

like the greatest civil right leader said - “Israel… is one of the great outposts of democracy in the world,”
- Martin Luther King

Yes, he didn't say that it had great civil rights either, remember being a democracy and a civil nation are two different things that can occur independent of each other... Also he said that in the 60s, before Israel became all... What's the word that I'm looking for... Nazi like...

Est du Canada wrote:

Deuxtete wrote:No video there.
Just a picture of an Israeli occupier choking a small boy, and another picture of a little girl biting his hand while he sits on top of the boy and two women try to pull him off.

Your response reminds me why I should never feel sympathy towards Israelis.

like the greatest civil right leader said - “Israel… is one of the great outposts of democracy in the world,”
- Martin Luther King
that why i support it because of democracy

Yes because Zionism is totally democratic even if it means putting down protests using Soldiers armed with rifles,Tear gas,rubber bullets and all sorts of military grade equipment compared to the Palestinian protesters (Not counting the armed insurgent groups such as Hamas and the PFLP) who are only armed with rocks and whatever they have.