NationStates

Hurdegaryp wrote:

Old Tyrannia wrote:Someone just finished reading Atlas Shrugged.

To get through that book, you'll need to consume more speed than it took for Rand to write it.

Dyakovo wrote:

The Free and Virtuous wrote:There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation? I'm not talking about micronations or citystates either, I mean a full blown, brand new country. I've always thought Sakhalin would be an interesting option, if things go really poorly in Russia and the whole country starts to collapse or tip into civil war it would theoretically be possible for a fairly small group of colonists to seize control of the island. Another option would be Borneo, I'm not sure how the locals there would react to Libertarianism but said colonists could probably encourage separatist sentiments in both the Malaysian part and the Indonesian part of the island, they could also retreat into the jungle on the center of island when things get tough. Now, realistically I don't think this would work because Libertarians are opposed to violence and as such guerrilla warfare wouldn't be a reasonable means of state creation for them but it's fun to speculate about.

The sun.
*nods*

Sun Wukong wrote:

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Mordor.

The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

Sun Wukong wrote:

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Mordor.

The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Sun Wukong wrote:The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

ugh

I mean, on so many levels...

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Sun Wukong wrote:The Eye of Sauron, is actually just Ayn Rand's vagina.

ugh

I mean, on so many levels...

Gauthier wrote:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
ugh

I mean, on so many levels...

That's one helluva yeast infection.

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Gauthier wrote:That's one helluva yeast infection.

It does look...

*shades*

...inflamed.

The Free and Virtuous wrote:There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation? I'm not talking about micronations or citystates either, I mean a full blown, brand new country. I've always thought Sakhalin would be an interesting option, if things go really poorly in Russia and the whole country starts to collapse or tip into civil war it would theoretically be possible for a fairly small group of colonists to seize control of the island. Another option would be Borneo, I'm not sure how the locals there would react to Libertarianism but said colonists could probably encourage separatist sentiments in both the Malaysian part and the Indonesian part of the island, they could also retreat into the jungle on the center of island when things get tough. Now, realistically I don't think this would work because Libertarians are opposed to violence and as such guerrilla warfare wouldn't be a reasonable means of state creation for them but it's fun to speculate about.

Ashmoria wrote:

The Free and Virtuous wrote:There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation? I'm not talking about micronations or citystates either, I mean a full blown, brand new country. I've always thought Sakhalin would be an interesting option, if things go really poorly in Russia and the whole country starts to collapse or tip into civil war it would theoretically be possible for a fairly small group of colonists to seize control of the island. Another option would be Borneo, I'm not sure how the locals there would react to Libertarianism but said colonists could probably encourage separatist sentiments in both the Malaysian part and the Indonesian part of the island, they could also retreat into the jungle on the center of island when things get tough. Now, realistically I don't think this would work because Libertarians are opposed to violence and as such guerrilla warfare wouldn't be a reasonable means of state creation for them but it's fun to speculate about.

oh it would have to be platforms in the ocean outside national boundaries.

what could possibly go wrong?

Gauthier wrote:

Ashmoria wrote:oh it would have to be platforms in the ocean outside national boundaries.

what could possibly go wrong?

Sea slugs.

Gauthier wrote:

Ashmoria wrote:oh it would have to be platforms in the ocean outside national boundaries.

what could possibly go wrong?

Sea slugs.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

Gauthier wrote:Sea slugs.

And pirates, of course. Don't forget the pirates.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

Gauthier wrote:Sea slugs.

And pirates, of course. Don't forget the pirates.

New Grestin wrote:

Hurdegaryp wrote:And pirates, of course. Don't forget the pirates.

And we don't beat around the bush, Morty. Those pirates are really rapey.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

New Grestin wrote:And we don't beat around the bush, Morty. Those pirates are really rapey.

When they see an opportunity, they'll take it. And take it hard, I might add. One could say that pirates actually have a remarkably libertarian mindset in that regard.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

New Grestin wrote:And we don't beat around the bush, Morty. Those pirates are really rapey.

When they see an opportunity, they'll take it. And take it hard, I might add. One could say that pirates actually have a remarkably libertarian mindset in that regard.

Ailiailia wrote:There are many unoccupied islands, but all of them (afaik) are in sea territory claimed by some nation or else in sea like the Antarctic protected by treaty from human colonization.

Make your own island perhaps. In the Pacific and probably other oceans, there are very shallow areas where dumping a few million tons of rock and earth would make a new island. Two problems: firstly, it would cost a lot of money to do that, and secondly the shallow areas often have coral or other marine life which would be fubar'd by dumping rock and earth on them. Expect nations, with troublesome things like navies, to stop you doing that or to take it away from you after you've done it, and don't expect a groundswell of popular support for your project.

New Grestin wrote:

Hurdegaryp wrote:When they see an opportunity, they'll take it. And take it hard, I might add. One could say that pirates actually have a remarkably libertarian mindset in that regard.

Anything less is a monument to compromise.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

New Grestin wrote:Anything less is a monument to compromise.

And it would be an act of exceptional cruelty to let someone suffer a situation brought forth by compromise and common sense. A fate worse than death, I tell you!

Stellonia wrote:Probably Bi'r Tawīl, if you can depose their king.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

Stellonia wrote:Probably Bi'r Tawīl, if you can depose their king.

A quote from that article: As we all know, white people showing up in Africa and planting flags in places they know nothing about has never, ever gone wrong before.

Hurdegaryp wrote:

Stellonia wrote:Probably Bi'r Tawīl, if you can depose their king.

A quote from that article: As we all know, white people showing up in Africa and planting flags in places they know nothing about has never, ever gone wrong before.