Best place for Libertarian colonization?

[Hurdegaryp]

A quote from that article: As we all know, white people showing up in Africa and planting flags in places they know nothing about has never, ever gone wrong before.

No-one wanted the land before. *No-one* had heard of the place before. But when he claimed it people in social media got offended. For some reason I find it amusing.

You can't expect people on the internet not to be offended, because such expectations in themselves are extremely offensive!

[Gauthier]

I just noticed something.

The OP says Libertarians are looking for somewhere to live, where they can presumably establish a libertarian state.

Is OP implying Libertarians are like Jews?

Except we expect Libertarians to not suck off US military hardware and financial aid.

[Gauthier]

Probably Bi'r Tawīl, if you can depose their king.

The second something valuable is discovered there it's going to look like Risk on crack.

[Jute]

I think your birth already used government services, and your childhood later. As I said, you depend on them. You do not choose to take them, the only way to choose against them is to leave the nation.

What thing?

Obviously you are wrong. One need not leave a nation in order to not choose government service

The thing is the typed piece at the end of the link....the 'thing' if you will that we were just discussing

If you're inside a nation, you profit of its services, even if it's just defense and law & order. So, yes, you'd have to leave.

[Jute]

There aren't many places left in the world for people to establish nation states. Where do you think would be the best place for Libertarians to go in order to establish a new nation? I'm not talking about micronations or citystates either, I mean a full blown, brand new country. I've always thought Sakhalin would be an interesting option, if things go really poorly in Russia and the whole country starts to collapse or tip into civil war it would theoretically be possible for a fairly small group of colonists to seize control of the island. Another option would be Borneo, I'm not sure how the locals there would react to Libertarianism but said colonists could probably encourage separatist sentiments in both the Malaysian part and the Indonesian part of the island, they could also retreat into the jungle on the center of island when things get tough. Now, realistically I don't think this would work because Libertarians are opposed to violence and as such guerrilla warfare wouldn't be a reasonable means of state creation for them but it's fun to speculate about.

oh it would have to be platforms in the ocean outside national boundaries.

what could possibly go wrong?

Sealand?

[Jute]

I just noticed something.

The OP says Libertarians are looking for somewhere to live, where they can presumably establish a libertarian state.

Is OP implying Libertarians are like Jews?

Except we expect Libertarians to not suck off US military hardware and financial aid.

Israel does?

[Kraslavia]

What kind of libertarians?

Under term "libertarian" are extreme-capitalists, anarchists or even some (yes!) comunists. What kind of libertarianism?

[Hurdegaryp]

Except we expect Libertarians to not suck off US military hardware and financial aid.

Israel does?

As far as I know, all that US military hardware was properly paid for.

[New Grestin]

Except we expect Libertarians to not suck off US military hardware and financial aid.

Israel does?

Apparently.

The Libertarians might, though. I mean, how are they going to build their golden statues of Ayn Rand without money?

[BK117B2]

Obviously you are wrong. One need not leave a nation in order to not choose government service

The thing is the typed piece at the end of the link....the 'thing' if you will that we were just discussing

If you're inside a nation, you profit of its services, even if it's just defense and law & order. So, yes, you'd have to leave.

Nope.

Someone else providing something regardless of what you choose is solely on them

[Hurdegaryp]

Israel does?

Apparently.

The Libertarians might, though. I mean, how are they going to build their golden statues of Ayn Rand without money?

Voluntarism.

[Trotskylvania]

Whoever controls your life-support is the de facto state. All economic activity will have to be rigidly planned to conform to the life-support system, whether it is a small space hab, or a gigantic O'Neil Cylinder, or, I cannot emphasize this enough, you will die.

And having my own life support or getting together with others and building a bigger habitat does not preclude freely exchanging goods or services.

Your exchange of goods and services must, by necessity, be strictly regulated, because there is so very little room for error. There will never bee free market capitalism in space.

[Jute]

If you're inside a nation, you profit of its services, even if it's just defense and law & order. So, yes, you'd have to leave.

Nope.

Someone else providing something regardless of what you choose is solely on them

You profit of it, whether you want it or not.

[Benuty]

A planet that is either in need of being terraformed or lacks sentient/sapient life forms.

[New Werpland]

Nauru, they'll do anything for money.

[BK117B2]

And having my own life support or getting together with others and building a bigger habitat does not preclude freely exchanging goods or services.

Your exchange of goods and services must, by necessity, be strictly regulated, because there is so very little room for error. There will never bee free market capitalism in space.

'Must' by your desire. There's no indication that necessity would play any such part

[BK117B2]

Nope.

Someone else providing something regardless of what you choose is solely on them

You profit of it, whether you want it or not.

If people throw pennies at you, that's a profit. It's still not the issue at hand.

[Kubra]

Zanzibarland or shadow moses

[The Free and Virtuous]

Also there are already natives there. And it's the biggest freaking island in the world, why would you call it "small"? It's bigger than the entire UK.

It's not as if libertarianism is known as a movement that cares about actual facts.

Well, I meant small as in it has a very small population. Anyway, damn, I go to sleep and wake up to six pages! You guys are crazy! Anyway, I still like the Kaliningrad idea, if Russia were to collapse, the residents there could perhaps turn the area into a tax haven. Then suddenly a libertarian flood happens and they effectively take over. Anyway, I started thinking about this after playing Victoria 2, I dunno if anyone else here plays that but the primary focus of that game is colonization.

[The Free and Virtuous]

I just noticed something.

The OP says Libertarians are looking for somewhere to live, where they can presumably establish a libertarian state.

Is OP implying Libertarians are like Jews?

For the sake of this discussion, sure. I mean, I'll admit that ideologically I'm more of a libertarian by default than one of those purist libertarians that worships Ayn Rand and Ron Paul but I'm still interested in the potential that Libertarianism has to create a new country. After all, the Communists were able to do it so I would think that eventually Libertarians would be able to somewhere in the world.

[Nikolausstadt]

An inhospitable landscape.

Then we'll be rid of libertarianism in the western world ;-)

[BK117B2]

An inhospitable landscape.

Then we'll be rid of libertarianism in the western world ;-)

And that would be a sad day indeed.

[Grave_n_idle]

An inhospitable landscape.

Then we'll be rid of libertarianism in the western world ;-)

And that would be a sad day indeed.

Sad in terms of wasted human life. Not sad in terms of removing the most evil ideology ever to exist.

[BK117B2]

And that would be a sad day indeed.

Sad in terms of wasted human life. Not sad in terms of removing the most evil ideology ever to exist.

That you find respecting the rights of others by not forcing yourself into their lives to be "the most evil ideology ever" says far more about your own ideals than about libertarianism.

What makes authoritarianism so much better?

[American National Union]

New Hampshire.