Do women have the right to expose their chests?

[Dyakovo]

.... I wish people did that. That, for one, would be fucking hilarious to see. If I could have all of humanity foam at the mouth and furiously masturbate at the sight of exposed skin for a day, I'd make it so just to laugh.

Though, may I ask why you all routinely undress together? That seems to be a fairly uncommon social practice. As in, I've never heard of that situation outside of the military or an orgy.

Some of us serve in the military or attend orgies.

But do any of us serve in military orgies?

[Sun Wukong]

Sure, in places where it's appropriate. Like, not inside a restraunt, or that kind of thing where you usually have to wear a shirt.

I agree with the slight amendment that breastfeeding at a restaurant seems appropriate.

Also, my inner Shakespearean loves you.

[Dyakovo]

The fact is thus:

Men should be allowed to expose their chest areas as long as women are allowed to expose their chest areas. You either have freedom for both or freedom for neither, anything in between leans towards favoring a gender over the other.

Frankly, I see no issue with women being allowed to openly display their mammary glands. Outside of breastfeeding, they really don't serve many other practical purpose, so it really shouldn't be as much of a social taboo as it is.

No, because boobs are sexual organs

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... ns-breasts

Male nipples are/can be stimulated in foreplay as well... As can various other body parts that aren't sexual organs.

[Sun Wukong]

Some of us serve in the military or attend orgies.

But do any of us serve in military orgies?

I love military orgies. They're a little anal, but my god the discipline!

[Esternial]

Can always ban going topless for men if bare breasts are such a big issue for people.

[Dyakovo]

I'm a Radical Feminist.
I think males are human beings, fully able to control themselves.
That's why it's nonsensical and absolutely unfair forbidding women to expose our chests when males can always do that.

Male chest has almost no sexual connotation. Breasts do. The better example would be letting men walk around without pants on.... and I don't think anyone would support that.

Men walking around without pants is equivalent to women walking around without pants, not to women walking around without shirts.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'm mysogynist how? I'm mysogynistic because I'm stating that boobs are primarily treated as sexual organs and it is indecent to show them? I never once stated that women are sexual objects or walking boobs.

Women are gorgeous individuals and one must treat them with respect and honesty.

However they have boobs, which however perfect and special, are practically sexual organs.

Which women should not show off in public.

If you ask around I'm fairly sure you won't find many people praising public nudity and indecency. I find indecency disgusting, perhaps if I was more mysogynistic I would find it amusing instead. But I don't.

It's about being proper. And ad a man who values proper women rather than trash I believe that to be the opposite of mysogynistic.

Perhaps it is about culture. I come from an East Coast family and we have expectations on how one should dress and carry themselves.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I have not been pushing for the baring of breasts. The difference lays in how we have been expressing our opinions. Yours, my dear, have been offensive, sexist, and put we women in a category of eye candy, pedestal-worthy, and possessing of man's favorite funbags all at once. If this is your 'culture', then I respectfully suggest your culture needs a little work. It isn't about disgust or amusement. It's all in your delivery.

How does that go? You've been weighed, measured, and found lacking. Welcome to the new world - we women are perfectly capable of thinking and doing and choosing for ourselves. Even if I happen to think that some of us could use with a bit more common sense about it all.

[Donut section]

I have the opinion that public decency laws should apply to all genders. Nothing that a singlet and a pair of shorts covers should be shown in public areas (shops, malls, cinemas, parks). Because people have the right to raise their children within their own religious, or social, culture.

There would be exclusions to this, beaches, nightclub and other "adult" entertainment areas. Also have most areas become adult after say 8 pm. Where if children ( 12 and under) would be only present with an adult and heading home, like after seeing a movie or eating dinner.

Basically being proud and confident in your own body is a great and healthy thing.

But I don't think we get to override or interfere with how someone else wants to raise their kids. Especially since the problem of modesty is so minor in comparison to some of the harmful things parents I still in their children.

(It's 4 am, I'm on my way to work, will check for replies in 12 hours when I get home)

[Ifreann]

I have the opinion that public decency laws should apply to all genders. Nothing that a singlet and a pair of shorts covers should be shown in public areas (shops, malls, cinemas, parks). Because people have the right to raise their children within their own religious, or social, culture.

Is that so? Surely not the people who want to raise their children in a culture where wearing only a singlet and shorts is being immodest. Nor the people who would raise their children in a culture where one may wear whatever one wishes, or nothing at all, provided one is not being unhygienic.

It seems to me that this opinion of yours is in fact about imposing your culture on other people wrt appropriate dress, not about allowing them to raise their children in their own.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I have the opinion that public decency laws should apply to all genders. Nothing that a singlet and a pair of shorts covers should be shown in public areas (shops, malls, cinemas, parks). Because people have the right to raise their children within their own religious, or social, culture.

Is that so? Surely not the people who want to raise their children in a culture where wearing only a singlet and shorts is being immodest. Nor the people who would raise their children in a culture where one may wear whatever one wishes, or nothing at all, provided one is not being unhygienic.

It seems to me that this opinion of yours is in fact about imposing your culture on other people wrt appropriate dress, not about allowing them to raise their children in their own.

And to be fair, turning it around, its the same thing. So where do we come to a point of compromise where we can all give a little, and take a little, and meet somewhere in the middle?

Bit harder to figure out, that.

[Neutraligon]

I'm a Radical Feminist.
I think males are human beings, fully able to control themselves.
That's why it's nonsensical and absolutely unfair forbidding women to expose our chests when males can always do that.

Male chest has almost no sexual connotation. Breasts do. The better example would be letting men walk around without pants on.... and I don't think anyone would support that.

...umm to many women male breasts do have a sexual connotation.

[BK117B2]

Is that so? Surely not the people who want to raise their children in a culture where wearing only a singlet and shorts is being immodest. Nor the people who would raise their children in a culture where one may wear whatever one wishes, or nothing at all, provided one is not being unhygienic.

It seems to me that this opinion of yours is in fact about imposing your culture on other people wrt appropriate dress, not about allowing them to raise their children in their own.

And to be fair, turning it around, its the same thing. So where do we come to a point of compromise where we can all give a little, and take a little, and meet somewhere in the middle?

Bit harder to figure out, that.

Except that the 'compromise' in which you seem interested is much like the 'compromise' of a mugger settling for a watch instead of a wallet AND a watch: the side imposing itself is getting some of what it wants while the side wanting to be left alone isn't getting any of it.

[Donut section]

Is that so? Surely not the people who want to raise their children in a culture where wearing only a singlet and shorts is being immodest. Nor the people who would raise their children in a culture where one may wear whatever one wishes, or nothing at all, provided one is not being unhygienic.

It seems to me that this opinion of yours is in fact about imposing your culture on other people wrt appropriate dress, not about allowing them to raise their children in their own.

And to be fair, turning it around, its the same thing. So where do we come to a point of compromise where we can all give a little, and take a little, and meet somewhere in the middle?

Bit harder to figure out, that.

That's kind of what I was going for.
Keep it tidy around others kids.
Keep kids out of where you can go bare.

[BK117B2]

I have the opinion that public decency laws should apply to all genders. Nothing that a singlet and a pair of shorts covers should be shown in public areas (shops, malls, cinemas, parks). Because people have the right to raise their children within their own religious, or social, culture.

There would be exclusions to this, beaches, nightclub and other "adult" entertainment areas. Also have most areas become adult after say 8 pm. Where if children ( 12 and under) would be only present with an adult and heading home, like after seeing a movie or eating dinner.

Basically being proud and confident in your own body is a great and healthy thing.

But I don't think we get to override or interfere with how someone else wants to raise their kids. Especially since the problem of modesty is so minor in comparison to some of the harmful things parents I still in their children.

(It's 4 am, I'm on my way to work, will check for replies in 12 hours when I get home)

Person A's choice of how to clothe themself in no way dictates that Person B change the way they wish to raise their children in regards to religion, society, or culture.

[United States of White America]

No one should have the right to do anything, only to pray to God.

Seriously though, this is a serious thread, not the place for sarcasm.

No I am serious.

[Sam Hyde]

Do I have a right to think that they are trashy?

[Deuxtete]

I'm mysogynist how? I'm mysogynistic because I'm stating that boobs are primarily treated as sexual organs and it is indecent to show them? I never once stated that women are sexual objects or walking boobs.

Women are gorgeous individuals and one must treat them with respect and honesty.

However they have boobs, which however perfect and special, are practically sexual organs.

Which women should not show off in public.

If you ask around I'm fairly sure you won't find many people praising public nudity and indecency. I find indecency disgusting, perhaps if I was more mysogynistic I would find it amusing instead. But I don't.

It's about being proper. And ad a man who values proper women rather than trash I believe that to be the opposite of mysogynistic.

Perhaps it is about culture. I come from an East Coast family and we have expectations on how one should dress and carry themselves.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I have not been pushing for the baring of breasts. The difference lays in how we have been expressing our opinions. Yours, my dear, have been offensive, sexist, and put we women in a category of eye candy, pedestal-worthy, and possessing of man's favorite funbags all at once. If this is your 'culture', then I respectfully suggest your culture needs a little work. It isn't about disgust or amusement. It's all in your delivery.

How does that go? You've been weighed, measured, and found lacking. Welcome to the new world - we women are perfectly capable of thinking and doing and choosing for ourselves. Even if I happen to think that some of us could use with a bit more common sense about it all.

Well done.
And did you change your stars?

[Deuxtete]

And to be fair, turning it around, its the same thing. So where do we come to a point of compromise where we can all give a little, and take a little, and meet somewhere in the middle?

Bit harder to figure out, that.

That's kind of what I was going for.
Keep it tidy around others kids.
Keep kids out of where you can go bare.

But its just breasts, I'm a fucking Baptist and I just don't understand this ...hypersexualized fear of female breats.

My kids had breasts jammed in their face from an early age, I seriously doubt society would collapse if women could simply do what men are allowed to do.

[Arcturus Novus]

Do I have a right to think that they are trashy?

As long as you aren't forcing them to cover up, sure, I guess?

[Donut section]

That's kind of what I was going for.
Keep it tidy around others kids.
Keep kids out of where you can go bare.

But its just breasts, I'm a fucking Baptist and I just don't understand this ...hypersexualized fear of female breats.

My kids had breasts jammed in their face from an early age, I seriously doubt society would collapse if women could simply do what men are allowed to do.

And none of that has anything to do with any point I was making or relevance to the princippes I was using to make them.

[Othelos]

It's only fair for women to be able to go topless. Doesn't mean that it's going to be attractive, like how most guys taking their shirts off means seeing more fat.

[Ifreann]

And to be fair, turning it around, its the same thing. So where do we come to a point of compromise where we can all give a little, and take a little, and meet somewhere in the middle?

Bit harder to figure out, that.

That's kind of what I was going for.
Keep it tidy around others kids.
Keep kids out of where you can go bare.

If someone, somewhere, saying "I don't want my kids to see that!" is reason enough to require everyone to cover their chests, then it is reason enough to require everyone to cover their legs. I don't want my kids seeing people's bare legs, so there ought to be a law, yes?

[Shamhnan Insir]

Surely the lingerie industry will be getting their panties in a twist over this.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Not this shit again..... sure I'm for it, but it would be damn hard to pass and pretty useless until you get the taboo on toplessness out of society.

[Torisakia]

Seriously though, this is a serious thread, not the place for sarcasm.

No I am serious.

Considering your signature and other posts you've made, I'm inclined to believe that's false. But eh, whatever you say.