European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Shamhnan Insir]

Well there's possibly another couple of hundred bodies in the Med at the moment, so looks like the traffickers are doing well...

Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/1 ... 00934.html

Note that Al Jazeera knows the plight of the refugees, given that the term “migrants” is awfully ambiguous and not reflective of the desperate situation on the ground.

I advise the OP to update the title to “Refugee and Migration Crisis in Europe” to reflect the situation in Eritrea, Syria, Libya and Iraq et al. Thanks in advance.

I made no mention of a classification of the intentions of the people attempting access into Europe through dubious means. I simply raise again the criminal acts behind a lot of the tragedies.
Christ, we've had a bigger debate over the terminology used to describe people, and tit for tat political sprattle over word choice, than we have had serious consideration on how to put an end to the traffickers.

[Imperializt Russia]

Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/1 ... 00934.html

Note that Al Jazeera knows the plight of the refugees, given that the term “migrants” is awfully ambiguous and not reflective of the desperate situation on the ground.

I advise the OP to update the title to “Refugee and Migration Crisis in Europe” to reflect the situation in Eritrea, Syria, Libya and Iraq et al. Thanks in advance.

I made no mention of a classification of the intentions of the people attempting access into Europe through dubious means. I simply raise again the criminal acts behind a lot of the tragedies.
Christ, we've had a bigger debate over the terminology used to describe people, and tit for tat political sprattle over word choice, than we have had serious consideration on how to put an end to the traffickers.

The simple answer is, you can't.
Western Europe, the US and Australia controls, what, about 80% of the world's wealth with about 20% of its population?

Diffusion.

[MERIZoC]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/more-than-70-dead-austria-migrant-truck-tragedy

They've arrested the driver. This is really sickening. Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across. Otherwise we end up with awful stuff like this.

[Shilya]

Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across.

I believe the safest thing would be if they instead stayed and built up Africa.

[MERIZoC]

Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across.

I believe the safest thing would be if they instead stayed and built up Africa.

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

[Shilya]

I believe the safest thing would be if they instead stayed and built up Africa.

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

"Meibe if they all stopped shooting and asploding and raping eachother in the Name of Muh Deity and instead all sang Kumbaya..."

[MERIZoC]

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

This of course, completely ignores problems well beyond the reach of your average person, to a laughable extent.

[Imperialisium]

I believe the safest thing would be if they instead stayed and built up Africa.

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

Japan was poor once. They built themselves up into an industrial powerhouse

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

Japan was poor once. They built themselves up into an industrial powerhouse

And obviously the two fleets from the United States Navy and several United States Marine Corps Divisions constantly present, having ensured for the past seventy years and still are ensuring peace, security and safety plus the shitton of aide US poured in post-war had absolutely zilch to do with it.

[Shilya]

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

This of course, completely ignores problems well beyond the reach of your average person, to a laughable extent.

So let's make the problems worse by removing the people who have a chance of eventually solving them, leaving only those who don't plan to?

Thousands of people, when working together, can achieve a lot.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This of course, completely ignores problems well beyond the reach of your average person, to a laughable extent.

So let's make the problems worse by removing the people who have a chance of eventually solving them, leaving only those who don't plan to?

Thousands of people, when working together, can achieve a lot.

Not when other people are busy shooting, asploding and raping them in the name of insert-your-cause-here.

[Imperialisium]

Japan was poor once. They built themselves up into an industrial powerhouse

And obviously the two fleets from the United States Navy and several United States Marine Corps Divisions constantly present and ensuring security and safety had zilch to do with it.

Japan was industrialized well before that. The US only helped with rebuilding Japan after WWII. So yes, in the industrializing of Japan the U.S. military had absolutely zilch to do with that. After WW2 throw US did help out but was not the sole cause of the Japanese economic boom that occurred during the 1970s

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And obviously the two fleets from the United States Navy and several United States Marine Corps Divisions constantly present and ensuring security and safety had zilch to do with it.

Japan was industrialized well before that. The US only helped with rebuilding Japan after WWII. So yes, in the industrializing of Japan the U.S. military had absolutely zilch to do with that. After WW2 throw US did help out but was not the sole cause of the Japanese economic boom that occurred during the 1970s

The Japanese economy pre-WWII was focused on mostly the military and mostly agricultural. Being the biggest silk exporter in the World doesn't say much of the total industrial power in the 1920's even. Also being entirely annihilated so much that even the government's ability to feed its populace was doubted kills your postulates pretty hard.
It's pretty fucking telling when most of the navy expansion plans IJN had was not funded by the Japanese economy itself but on war reparations from other countries, and the one post-war plan they had involving more than a dozen capital ships was projected to kill the state coffers right off if it weren't for WNT.

[Imperializt Russia]

This of course, completely ignores problems well beyond the reach of your average person, to a laughable extent.

So let's make the problems worse by removing the people who have a chance of eventually solving them, leaving only those who don't plan to?

Thousands of people, when working together, can achieve a lot.

What is being achieved by those thousands of people is a series of civil wars, which people are fleeing.

Your "approach", if it can so be called, is fully ignorant of this fact.

[Gauthier]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/more-than-70-dead-austria-migrant-truck-tragedy

They've arrested the driver. This is really sickening. Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across. Otherwise we end up with awful stuff like this.

The closest thing to a silver lining is that far as I'm aware nobody said anything to the effect of "Thank God those Syrians baked to death before they could get out of the truck and spread Sharia Law."

[MERIZoC]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/more-than-70-dead-austria-migrant-truck-tragedy

They've arrested the driver. This is really sickening. Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across. Otherwise we end up with awful stuff like this.

The closest thing to a silver lining is that far as I'm aware nobody said anything to the effect of "Thank God those Syrians baked to death before they could get out of the truck and spread Sharia Law."

Nah, instead we get people calling them "parasites" who should stay in their "shithole" countries, and apparently that's okay.

[Geilinor]

Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across.

I believe the safest thing would be if they instead stayed and built up Africa.

The only way for them to do that is to join a side in a civil war and hope they win.

[Herrebrugh]

The closest thing to a silver lining is that far as I'm aware nobody said anything to the effect of "Thank God those Syrians baked to death before they could get out of the truck and spread Sharia Law."

Nah, instead we get people calling them "parasites" who should stay in their "shithole" countries, and apparently that's okay.

Actually, I've heard people blaiming the EU for this for not preventing them from entering. That's about as compassionate as they'll get, I think...

[Imperialisium]

Japan was industrialized well before that. The US only helped with rebuilding Japan after WWII. So yes, in the industrializing of Japan the U.S. military had absolutely zilch to do with that. After WW2 throw US did help out but was not the sole cause of the Japanese economic boom that occurred during the 1970s

The Japanese economy pre-WWII was focused on mostly the military and mostly agricultural. Being the biggest silk exporter in the World doesn't say much of the total industrial power in the 1920's even. Also being entirely annihilated so much that even the government's ability to feed its populace was doubted kills your postulates pretty hard.
It's pretty fucking telling when most of the navy expansion plans IJN had was not funded by the Japanese economy itself but on war reparations from other countries, and the one post-war plan they had involving more than a dozen capital ships was projected to kill the state coffers right off if it weren't for WNT.

Evidently the whole Japanese Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was not taught that well. Japan was industrialized since the 1860s with numerous factories and industrial sectors. Yes it had a strong agricultural sector but calling it non-industrialized by WW2 is blatantly wrong.

Japan was defeated because it was up against several other industrialized nations that had a greater industrial output. I.E. The US, British Empire, and China had more people, resources, and factories to produce war material. The US was even on food rations during the war so don't balk about food. Yeah intense bombing and two nukes can cause famine that's basic logistics.

Japan's conquests where to provide raw materials for an industrialized country that was itself resource poor and couldn't feed its own myriad of factories and industrial sectors

[Sierdece]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/more-than-70-dead-austria-migrant-truck-tragedy

They've arrested the driver. This is really sickening. Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across. Otherwise we end up with awful stuff like this.

Good idea! We should give them all free luxury yachts to travel across the Mediterranean in before they start going on a crime spree.

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/more-than-70-dead-austria-migrant-truck-tragedy

They've arrested the driver. This is really sickening. Europe and Africa have to step it up and make sure it's much safer for people to come across. Otherwise we end up with awful stuff like this.

Good idea! We should give them all free luxury yachts to travel across the Mediterranean in before they start going on a crime spree.

Get better material.

[Sierdece]

Good idea! We should give them all free luxury yachts to travel across the Mediterranean in before they start going on a crime spree.

Get better material.

You're probably an immigrant yourself.

[Imperializt Russia]

Get better material.

You're probably an immigrant yourself.

Interesting assertion.

Laughably incorrect.
I mean, my picture is right there next to my name.
I'm whiter than your teeth. Probably not difficult, I'll admit.

[Sierdece]

You're probably an immigrant yourself.

Interesting assertion.

Laughably incorrect.
I mean, my picture is right there next to my name.
I'm whiter than your teeth. Probably not difficult, I'll admit.

I'm from North Scotland, nothing gets much whiter. And I'll have you know I can not stand the thought of not brushing my teeth, they are as white as they can be.