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Republic of Mezoamerican States
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Postby Republic of Mezoamerican States » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:09 pm

Estanver wrote:Oh, and Reagan not only suggested it, but he also put it into practice. That is why trickle-down economics is sometimes referred to as "Reaganomics".

Do your research


That is a lie. Neither Reagan nor Kemp ever uttered or wrote the words "trickle down."
You may repeat this lie as often as you wish.
But it will remain a lie.

By the way,
the left loved Reaganomics when JFK first proposed it. He stated that federal revenues were too low because taxes were too high. Reagan took everything from JFK, including his cold warrior determination.

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Postby Republic of Mezoamerican States » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:16 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Because it advocates no class system, and no freedom to make your own money. That's how it's anti-freedom.

Each according to their need, each according to their ability.


And most people who promote communism eat much more than the 15000 calories they need, and work far less than they are able.
Consider; the time spent here is time that could be spent working. But many people here promote communism. Clearly not producing according to their ability.

Was Stalin taking only what he needed?
Was he working as hard as he could?

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Postby Vernoi » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:19 pm

Republic of Mezoamerican States wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Each according to their need, each according to their ability.


And most people who promote communism eat much more than the 15000 calories they need, and work far less than they are able.


Um, excuse me? Do you have some sort of credible source for this?
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Postby Benuty » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:21 pm

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Your belief in selfish ideologies seems to indicate that, but it is never too late to turn from the influence of Mammon.


How insulting. I am not stupid enough for religions like communism.

Communism is not a religion.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:24 pm

Maoist Britain wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
Order doesn't equal oppression.


Oppression will only be implemented in times of political turmoil.

What an utterly pointless motion.
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Postby Democratic Socialist States of Africa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Your belief in selfish ideologies seems to indicate that, but it is never too late to turn from the influence of Mammon.


How insulting. I am not stupid enough for religions like communism.

Once again, you say something that is not correct. Communism isn't a religion.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:05 pm

Republic of Mezoamerican States wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Each according to their need, each according to their ability.


And most people who promote communism eat much more than the 15000 calories they need, and work far less than they are able.
Consider; the time spent here is time that could be spent working. But many people here promote communism. Clearly not producing according to their ability.

Was Stalin taking only what he needed?
Was he working as hard as he could?
whoa there, 15000 per day? Are you Rich Piana?
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Postby The Lacedaemonians » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:26 pm

I think that Marx's analysis of capitalism in his three volumes of "Capital" was exquisite. David Harvey's companion to it was just as golden. I am not sure of what to make of the applications of the ideology that follows, however. Is the jury still out on what Communism actually was to old Karl?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:34 pm

I want it to happen so I don't have to stress out about finding a job in law and earning monetary income.

I would like it to happen... NOW.
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Postby Finland SSR » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:25 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I want it to happen so I don't have to stress out about finding a job in law and earning monetary income.

I would like it to happen... NOW.

The human race is smartly lazy, but some individuals forget the first part.

Those individuals are Socialists. Usually.
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Postby Fernistanic Islands » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:34 pm

Finland SSR wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I want it to happen so I don't have to stress out about finding a job in law and earning monetary income.

I would like it to happen... NOW.

The human race is smartly lazy, but some individuals forget the first part.

Those individuals are Socialists. Usually.

I mean it's incredibly difficult if you aren't born into a good position to get money, due to the fact that the gateway to high paying jobs (college) costs a ton of money in itself. Need money to get money? Besides minimum wage jobs are supposed to support you so you can go through college and move up the job ladder, and the way things are that gets more and more difficult idk. Every human should have the opportunity to go further in life imo

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Postby Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:26 am

Democratic Socialist States of Africa wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
How insulting. I am not stupid enough for religions like communism.

Once again, you say something that is not correct. Communism isn't a religion.


It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.
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Postby Ryukyuko » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:29 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government.


Would you describe capitalism as a secular religion, centered on the worship of the market?

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Postby Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:18 am

Ryukyuko wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government.


Would you describe capitalism as a secular religion, centered on the worship of the market?


No I wouldn't. Capitalism is an economic system.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:26 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Democratic Socialist States of Africa wrote:Once again, you say something that is not correct. Communism isn't a religion.


It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:28 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Ryukyuko wrote:
Would you describe capitalism as a secular religion, centered on the worship of the market?


No I wouldn't. Capitalism is an economic system.

Communisim is also an economic system, definitely not as good as capitalism with a strong government, good welfare (think denmark), and free higher education.

Some cults of personality are...well cults, but cults of personality are not always a part of communisim or socialisim.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:04 am

I never really consider socialism on par with communism and capitalism.

It's far less invasive when it comes to the economy, so to an extent a great deal of its principles are compatible with capitalism. Communism is not, which also has the downside of really being successful only when employed in its purest form, which is impossible for countries/communities/populations that are even just a little too large.

Communism is good for small-scale communities and could work there, but for countries it's a very unworkable ideology.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:41 am

Republic of Mezoamerican States wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Are you seriously implying that the lack of culture among ants is to be blamed on ant communism? :eyebrow:

And the kicker is "no ant gets to choose it's role in the community."
[...]

That has absolutely nothing to do with 'ant communism' either.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:54 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Democratic Socialist States of Africa wrote:Once again, you say something that is not correct. Communism isn't a religion.

It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.

The wills and actions of Stalin and Zedong don't define communism. The reality is that many communists had objections to Stalin and Zedong. Many of them were killed for it.
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Postby Hollorous » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:54 am

Conscentia wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.

The wills and actions of Stalin and Zedong don't define communism. The reality is that many communists had objections to Stalin and Zedong. Many of them were killed for it.


Chinese custom is to have the family name first. So it would be Stalin and Mao. Zedong was his first name.

Anyway, cult of personalities are nothing new and certainly nothing contained only to the communist world. All nations have them to some degree.

And, unless they happen to center around someone like, say, Hong Xiquan, there isn't any religious content to them.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:46 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Democratic Socialist States of Africa wrote:Once again, you say something that is not correct. Communism isn't a religion.


It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.


Their regimes were heavily dogmatic, but that was their idea, not communism's. Communism is not a religion.
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Postby Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:53 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.


Their regimes were heavily dogmatic, but that was their idea, not communism's. Communism is not a religion.


The more you defend communism, the more you reveal your true intentions.
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Postby Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:54 am

Conscentia wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:It is a secular religion, centered on the worship of government. Take a look at propaganda posters in the Soviet Union or China- Stalin and Zedong set themselves up as Gods.

The wills and actions of Stalin and Zedong don't define communism. The reality is that many communists had objections to Stalin and Zedong. Many of them were killed for it.


Seeing how they are ideologies within communism, they should define it. Really, they should.
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Postby Hollorous » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:05 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Conscentia wrote:The wills and actions of Stalin and Zedong don't define communism. The reality is that many communists had objections to Stalin and Zedong. Many of them were killed for it.


Seeing how they are ideologies within communism, they should define it. Really, they should.


Sure. When fascism and slavery come to define capitalism. After all, they worked within a capitalistic framework.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:06 am

Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Their regimes were heavily dogmatic, but that was their idea, not communism's. Communism is not a religion.


The more you defend communism, the more you reveal your true intentions.


Ooooh, I'm a communist now? Along with being a "pussy agnostic"? Wow, you're really on a roll, Sherlock Holmes.
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