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Postby Iwassoclose » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:53 pm

The basis of Gibney’s argument has little to do with whether Scientology is a cult or a religion, and more to do with whether Scientology is really a charitable organization. Clarifying his point in a recent editorial in the Los Angeles Times, Gibney wrote:

To maintain the right to be tax-exempt, however, religions must fulfill certain requirements for charitable organizations. For example, they may not "serve the private interests of any individual" and/or "the organization's purposes and activities may not be illegal or violate fundamental public policy.”

The Church of Scientology often points to its tax-exempt status as proof that it is a recognized religious entity in the United States. And there’s no disputing that tax-exempt status has been a huge boon to the Scientology industry. With a little over 50,000 documented members, but billions in real estate holdings, the Church of Scientology has been called “the most famous small business in the world,” with its tax exempt status saving the Church an estimated $20 million a year on property taxes alone.

It doesn’t help that circumstances in which the tax exemption was granted have always surrounded in controversy. Scientology first became a religion in 1956, but was stripped of its tax-exempt status in 1967. Then began a legal battle that lasted for 26 years. The Supreme Court finally ruled for the IRS against the Church in 1991, but rather than relying on the verdict of the highest court in the land, the IRS caved two years later, granting tax-exempt status. During this period, over 2400 Freedom of Information Act Requests and 200 lawsuits were filed on behalf of Scientologists against the IRS; Gibney also notes that individual IRS agents and accountants were investigated and intimidated by private investigators. (In a note to Forbes.com, a Church of Scientology representative claims that the case was won because the Church “provided substantive proof on the merits”).

Scientology has long been accused of sharp practice, harassment, even abuse. But the highly disciplined and closed-ranks organization portrayed in Going Clear operates at a fever pitch. The take-no-prisoners attitude extends to nearly all phases of the worldwide mega-business Scientology has become.

Founder L. Ron Hubbard was against paying taxes, and famously dodged the IRS for years. The film shows his pursuit of the brass ring that an IRS church exemption would mean to his empire. After years of unsuccessful IRS exemption applications, the film says Scientology Chairman David Miscavige (who succeeded Hubbard) ordered rank and file Scientologists to file individual lawsuits against the IRS for failing to recognize it as a church.

In 1993, the IRS was literally overwhelmed by 2,400 suits and the prospect of defending itself against all of them, the IRS agreed to grant Scientology tax-exempt status in exchange for the withdrawal of the cases. Since then, Scientology has flourished, as this 2011 tax filing reveals.

There are many tax advantages of church status and an IRS determination letter. Even compared to other tax-exempt organizations, church status is the crème de la crème. For years, the IRS denied that Scientology was a church until the 2400 lawsuits caused the IRS to rule Scientology was a church. The New York Times claimed the IRS reversed 30 years of precedent to grant Scientology Section 501(c)(3) status.

Over the past few years, many have said that the IRS should reconsider Scientology’s tax-exempt status. Some claim to have seen coercive fundraising efforts, suggesting the IRS had the wool pulled over its eyes when it granted church status in 1993. The HBO film is fueling those comments, as a St. Petersburg Times series did a few years ago.

If the IRS decides to take on Scientology for round two, the bout could be noisy. Churches reap a vast array of tax advantages. They even include special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church. A “church” is not specifically defined in the tax code, but the IRS lays out buzzwords in its tax guide for churches and religious organizations, including these characteristics:

Distinct legal existence;
Recognized creed and form of worship;
Definite and distinct ecclesiastical government;
Formal code of doctrine and discipline;
Distinct religious history;
Membership not associated with any other church or denomination;
Organization of ordained ministers;
Ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed study;
Literature of its own;
Established places of worship;
Regular congregations;
Regular religious services;
Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young; and
Schools for preparing its members.

The IRS considers all facts and circumstances in assessing whether an organization qualifies. But unlike other exempt organizations, a church need not actually apply for tax exemption. Most churches do, but it is not technically required. Now, 22 years after the IRS gave in, there are new outcries for the IRS to examine Scientology and to end its tax-exempt status.

It isn’t a far-fetched idea. The Nonprofit Risk Management Center reports that over one hundred 501(c)(3) organizations lose their tax-exempt status each year. The reasons can vary, but in the case of Scientology, many wonder how it could have collected the church status in the first place.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/ ... ch-status/


And I would be one of them who wonder as I read about how these guys got their religion recognized by the government. Swamp the IRS with paper work and threaten them and suddenly the last group of rejections they gave to this cult is reversed because ...?

This story just makes me cringe. They should do what Chile did and officially recognize this group as a cult that it is.

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Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:56 pm

Oh, please revoke their tax exempt status. Scientology is a cult, not a religion, that truly panders to the lowest common denominator. I still find it bizarre that any sane person could put even the tiniest bit of faith in a cult such as scientology. Then, I look at the members, and it all makes sense. No sane person could put any faith in scientology, which is why all the profilic members are batshit.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:01 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.

Personally I would be strongly in favour of totally gutting that deranged pulp scifi cult, if only because it is the decent thing to do. Scientology is pretty much a criminal organization.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:01 pm

A cult? They infiltrated multiple federal agencies to steal and destroy official records. That makes them an espionage ring and as such should face lengthy jail sentences. Or just label them terrorists and lock them up without trial.
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Postby Celsuis » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:01 pm

From what I've read, the Church of Scientology is a secretive cult that manipulates members into performing slave labor while its top figureheads reap millions in profits. It's an inhumane cartel that should not only have its tax-exempt status removed, but also be investigated for serious crimes. However, if someone wanted to start an actual "church" based on the belief of scientology, they'd deserve tax-exempt status.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:03 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.


Jesus Christ, man WTF.

I hope the NSA, FBI, CIA or whatever alphabet organization has this group under a microscope.

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Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.

Personally I would be strongly in favour of totally gutting that deranged pulp scifi cult, if only because it is the decent thing to do. Scientology is pretty much a criminal organization.

That is why I was involved in Operation Chanology.
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Postby Chessmistress » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:04 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Oh, please revoke their tax exempt status. Scientology is a cult, not a religion, that truly panders to the lowest common denominator. I still find it bizarre that any sane person could put even the tiniest bit of faith in a cult such as scientology. Then, I look at the members, and it all makes sense. No sane person could put any faith in scientology, which is why all the profilic members are batshit.


^this^

The fact scientology (without capital letter, to better express my feelings towards them) is exempted from taxation is really disgusting to me.
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Chessmistress wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Oh, please revoke their tax exempt status. Scientology is a cult, not a religion, that truly panders to the lowest common denominator. I still find it bizarre that any sane person could put even the tiniest bit of faith in a cult such as scientology. Then, I look at the members, and it all makes sense. No sane person could put any faith in scientology, which is why all the profilic members are batshit.


^this^

The fact scientology (without capital letter, to better express my feelings towards them) is exempted from taxation is really disgusting to me.


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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:09 pm

It was a scam that turned into a cult-for-profit.

Revoke it.
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Postby Lordieth » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:09 pm

They hold enormous influence through their high-profile members (which, as part of their initiation process, expect you to tell them all your secrets, talk about being compromised), and they use their wealth and fortune to litigate fiercely against anyone who opposes them.

In reality, they're a religion of the modern-age, taking advantage of all the modern tricks and techniques afforded to them. This is what a modern-day religion looks like. Isn't it glorious.
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Lordieth wrote:They hold enormous influence through their high-profile members (which, as part of their initiation process, expect you to tell them all your secrets, talk about being compromised), and they use their wealth and fortune to litigate fiercely against anyone who opposes them.

In reality, they're a religion of the modern-age, taking advantage of all the modern tricks and techniques afforded to them. This is what a modern-day religion looks like. Isn't it glorious.

I think this is more an enterprise to make money than a religion.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:22 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.

Not just the IRS they infiltrated major governments, and organizations throughout the world.
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Iwassoclose wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.


Jesus Christ, man WTF.

I hope the NSA, FBI, CIA or whatever alphabet organization has this group under a microscope.

Serb is wrong.

It was not just the IRS the Scientologist infiltrated, over 5,000 agents were placed in 136 government agencies in 30 countries most of whom are still in those positions since the governments in question have been unable to identify wrong doing on the individuals part and government employee union contracts generally require that for dismissal.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:23 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Oh, please revoke their tax exempt status. Scientology is a cult, not a religion, that truly panders to the lowest common denominator. I still find it bizarre that any sane person could put even the tiniest bit of faith in a cult such as scientology. Then, I look at the members, and it all makes sense. No sane person could put any faith in scientology, which is why all the profilic members are batshit.

Isn't Christianity not a cult?

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:23 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:A cult? They infiltrated multiple federal agencies to steal and destroy official records. That makes them an espionage ring and as such should face lengthy jail sentences. Or just label them terrorists and lock them up without trial.

If the Church of Scientology has actually infiltrated federal agencies, I have no tolerance for them. However, I haven't heard of that before.
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United States Kingdom wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Oh, please revoke their tax exempt status. Scientology is a cult, not a religion, that truly panders to the lowest common denominator. I still find it bizarre that any sane person could put even the tiniest bit of faith in a cult such as scientology. Then, I look at the members, and it all makes sense. No sane person could put any faith in scientology, which is why all the profilic members are batshit.

Isn't Christianity not a cult?

A cult by its very nature cannot have sects

Due to the fact Scientology has a sect filled with rogue believers it is a religion unfortunately.
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greed and death wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:Jesus Christ, man WTF.

I hope the NSA, FBI, CIA or whatever alphabet organization has this group under a microscope.

Serb is wrong.

It was not just the IRS the Scientologist infiltrated, over 5,000 agents were placed in 136 government agencies in 30 countries most of whom are still in those positions since the governments in question have been unable to identify wrong doing on the individuals part and government employee union contracts generally require that for dismissal.

How did those bastards even manage to find 5,000 agents?
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Geilinor wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:A cult? They infiltrated multiple federal agencies to steal and destroy official records. That makes them an espionage ring and as such should face lengthy jail sentences. Or just label them terrorists and lock them up without trial.

If the Church of Scientology has actually infiltrated federal agencies, I have no tolerance for them. However, I haven't heard of that before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
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Hurdegaryp wrote:
greed and death wrote:Serb is wrong.

It was not just the IRS the Scientologist infiltrated, over 5,000 agents were placed in 136 government agencies in 30 countries most of whom are still in those positions since the governments in question have been unable to identify wrong doing on the individuals part and government employee union contracts generally require that for dismissal.

How did those bastards even manage to find 5,000 agents?

The money, and the indoctrination process goes pretty deep.
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Geilinor wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:A cult? They infiltrated multiple federal agencies to steal and destroy official records. That makes them an espionage ring and as such should face lengthy jail sentences. Or just label them terrorists and lock them up without trial.

If the Church of Scientology has actually infiltrated federal agencies, I have no tolerance for them. However, I haven't heard of that before.

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Benuty wrote:
Geilinor wrote:If the Church of Scientology has actually infiltrated federal agencies, I have no tolerance for them. However, I haven't heard of that before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

They're worse than I thought. Ugh.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:26 pm

Benuty wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Isn't Christianity not a cult?

A cult by its very nature cannot have sects

Due to the fact Scientology has a sect filled with rogue believers it is a religion unfortunately.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=days+of+ ... +of+a+cult

cult
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noun
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"
a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
synonyms: sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction
"a religious cult"
a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
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Also, doesn't Christianity not have different sects?

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