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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:59 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!

The ones who want to to stay up are the ones who are trying to erase history. The South lost. That so many people seem to think so many lies about the Confederacy (as evidenced by my Facebook feed :mad: ), they have been unfortunately successful.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:00 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
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It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!

I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.

You shouldn't be ashamed. It's not your fault. Trollgaard is a professional, well-trained Summertruppler.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:00 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.


I'm ashamed that taking down the battle flag is even an issue.

I'm ashamed that people defend a dead movement that basically existed just to preserve white people's legal ownership of darker-skinned people.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:01 pm

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I'm ashamed that taking down the battle flag is even an issue.

I'm ashamed that people defend a dead movement that basically existed just to preserve white people's legal ownership of darker-skinned people.


Have to wonder how many of those people imagine owning slaves is like collecting Beanie Babies.
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Postby Godular » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:01 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.


I'm ashamed that taking down the battle flag is even an issue.


I know right? Why is that damn thing still up at all?
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:01 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!


Ok, even if you cast aside the flag's horribly racist overtones, does it sound reasonable for a state government to be flying symbols celebrating it's failed rebellion against the larger nation which it's currently still a part of?
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:05 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!


Ok, even if you cast aside the flag's horribly racist overtones, does it sound reasonable for a state government to be flying symbols celebrating it's failed rebellion against the larger nation which it's currently still a part of?


No, its a matter of pride. They Confederacy fought damn hard, with less men, money, and resources. They did damn well, and had a real shot at victory. The flag should stay up to honor the skill at arms, resolve, and strong spirit of the Confederate soldiers.

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:05 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Tayner wrote:You are saying that you support the freedom of expression, but you are also saying that people on the south shouldn't shouldn't have the right to express themselves with the Confederate Flag.

It's like saying you like both penutbutter and jelly, but you hate a penutbutter and jelly sandwich.


Close, but not quite, I believe if people want to support and express southern pride they can, but not with that flag, yes I know it has become the flag of southern pride, but it is not just a pride flag it's a rebel flag that ultimately supports the breakup of the United States.


Right, which is why SCOTUS will not allow it to be displayed on state license plates.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:06 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!


Ok, even if you cast aside the flag's horribly racist overtones, does it sound reasonable for a state government to be flying symbols celebrating it's failed rebellion against the larger nation which it's currently still a part of?


It'd be like Paris flying the Vichy France flag. Bet that'll go over real well.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:07 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.

You shouldn't be ashamed. It's not your fault. Trollgaard is a professional, well-trained Summertruppler.


Summertruppler? The fuck?

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Postby Rashidunistan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:10 pm

The Nazi flag doesn't represent hate, the swastika is obviously a symbol of good luck in India and in the Falun Gong movement. So why is it banned in Germany?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:10 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Ok, even if you cast aside the flag's horribly racist overtones, does it sound reasonable for a state government to be flying symbols celebrating it's failed rebellion against the larger nation which it's currently still a part of?


No, its a matter of pride. They Confederacy fought damn hard, with less men, money, and resources. They did damn well, and had a real shot at victory. The flag should stay up to honor the skill at arms, resolve, and strong spirit of the Confederate soldiers.

Fought hard for something awful.
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Postby Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:12 pm

Rashidunistan wrote:The Nazi flag doesn't represent hate, the swastika is obviously a symbol of good luck in India and in the Falun Gong movement. So why is it banned in Germany?


It's because the Germans are embarrassed by it and embarrassed by the events of WW2.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:12 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
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No, its a matter of pride. They Confederacy fought damn hard, with less men, money, and resources. They did damn well, and had a real shot at victory. The flag should stay up to honor the skill at arms, resolve, and strong spirit of the Confederate soldiers.

Fought hard for something awful.


In today's perspective, sure.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:13 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
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Ok, even if you cast aside the flag's horribly racist overtones, does it sound reasonable for a state government to be flying symbols celebrating it's failed rebellion against the larger nation which it's currently still a part of?


No, its a matter of pride. They Confederacy fought damn hard, with less men, money, and resources. They did damn well, and had a real shot at victory. The flag should stay up to honor the skill at arms, resolve, and strong spirit of the Confederate soldiers.


I now have to wonder whether or not you're just parroting talking points that you heard from some greasy old neo-confederate at a gas station in rural Georgia.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:13 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:Fought hard for something awful.


In today's perspective, sure.


South Carolina should celebrate slavery then? Maybe have some historical re-enactment parks?
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:13 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:I'm ashamed that people defend a dead movement that basically existed just to preserve white people's legal ownership of darker-skinned people.


Have to wonder how many of those people imagine owning slaves is like collecting Beanie Babies.

You know, That reminds me of a somewhat melancholic joke my father told me once. "Some racists are more quiet than others. Some of them are like, 'Oh, I love black people. I think everyone should own one.'"
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:14 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Fought hard for something awful.


In today's perspective, sure.
Seeing as global slavery was in its death throes at the time, pretty sure we can write down slavery as having been a bad thing even for the time period.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:15 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:
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No, its a matter of pride. They Confederacy fought damn hard, with less men, money, and resources. They did damn well, and had a real shot at victory. The flag should stay up to honor the skill at arms, resolve, and strong spirit of the Confederate soldiers.


I now have to wonder whether or not you're just parroting talking points that you heard from some greasy old neo-confederate at a gas station in rural Georgia.


Haha, haven't lived in Georgia this millennium, so that's a no.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:16 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
In today's perspective, sure.


South Carolina should celebrate slavery then? Maybe have some historical re-enactment parks?


They can just go to Stone Mountain, Georgia; it's a popular park.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:17 pm

Rashidunistan wrote:The Nazi flag doesn't represent hate, the swastika is obviously a symbol of good luck in India and in the Falun Gong movement. So why is it banned in Germany?

No idea. Fucking SJWs ruin everything.
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Have to wonder how many of those people imagine owning slaves is like collecting Beanie Babies.

You know, That reminds me of a somewhat melancholic joke my father told me once. "Some racists are more quiet than others. Some of them are like, 'Oh, I love black people. I think everyone should own one.'"

I chuckled. Tbh I'll never understand racism.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:18 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
South Carolina should celebrate slavery then? Maybe have some historical re-enactment parks?


They can just go to Stone Mountain, Georgia; it's a popular park.


Stone Mountain is fantastic! The artistry in carving that monument is fantastic. The world needs more giant rock carvings.

But no, slavery doesn't need to be celebrated, nor does it need to be forgotten.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:18 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Rashidunistan wrote:The Nazi flag doesn't represent hate, the swastika is obviously a symbol of good luck in India and in the Falun Gong movement. So why is it banned in Germany?

No idea. Fucking SJWs ruin everything.


Yeah, all that disgusting social justice ruins the taste of slave ownership and white power.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:18 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Fought hard for something awful.


In today's perspective, sure.


The flag representing those efforts is still flying today, and on government grounds, no less. That's the issue.

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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:19 pm

Kubra wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
In today's perspective, sure.
Seeing as global slavery was in its death throes at the time, pretty sure we can write down slavery as having been a bad thing even for the time period.


There's still slavery in the world today.

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