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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:39 am

The German Democratic Reich wrote:Now that all signs of the confederacy are going away, I say we begin tearing apart the US's "union" and its symbols as well. And finally, we can go back to the flag of the United Kingdom. the stars and stripes is a sign of treason and rebellion against the crown and the government after all!

Except the United States is an actual country recognized by the entire world.
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:40 am

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It's okay if you don't support the flag. I am just pointing out that you claim to support freedom of expression when you are against people flying rebel flags.


And there's nothing wrong with that.


So you support a person's right to display it, but you just don't encourage it?
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:40 am

The German Democratic Reich wrote:Now that all signs of the confederacy are going away, I say we begin tearing apart the US's "union" and its symbols as well. And finally, we can go back to the flag of the United Kingdom. the stars and stripes is a sign of treason and rebellion against the crown and the government after all!

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Postby Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:41 am

Tayner wrote:
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And there's nothing wrong with that.

You are saying that you support the freedom of expression, but you are also saying that people on the south shouldn't shouldn't have the right to express themselves with the Confederate Flag.

It's like saying you like both penutbutter and jelly, but you hate a penutbutter and jelly sandwich.


Close, but not quite, I believe if people want to support and express southern pride they can, but not with that flag, yes I know it has become the flag of southern pride, but it is not just a pride flag it's a rebel flag that ultimately supports the breakup of the United States.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:41 am

Vaikneland wrote:Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

Agreed.
Historical memory is so tainted by politics and wishful thinking. The regimes that killed the most civilians of the 20th century: the soviet union, maoist china, the empire of japan, all are remembered as less evil than the nazis and the confederates. It's ok to fly a Japanese, Soviet or Chinese flag, (despite their unattractiveness), but a swastika or a confederate flag are banned. It is very odd. Putin wants to rename Stalingrad.
Now, i'm not against these removals, however, you can't remove the symbol of a mildly evil democracy like the Confederacy, yet allow the flag of China to be flown. China's flag should be considered a symbol of hate. China has done more persecution of minorities and civilians than the confederacy, however, the Chinese flag is fine, in fact, it is racist not to like it being flown.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:42 am

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Nonsense. I hope once the issue is debated by the SC government the bill or whatever to remove the flag is defeated. Keep history alive. Keep that glorious battle flag flying high.


Yep. A battle standard for future racist killers to rally behind.


A battle standard that honors the dead.

Any fool can use anything as a symbol. To start banning symbols and getting ridding them because a wacko uses them is ridiculous.

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Postby The German Democratic Reich » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:42 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The German Democratic Reich wrote:Now that all signs of the confederacy are going away, I say we begin tearing apart the US's "union" and its symbols as well. And finally, we can go back to the flag of the United Kingdom. the stars and stripes is a sign of treason and rebellion against the crown and the government after all!

Except the United States is an actual country recognized by the entire world.



A "country" (if you call it that) that stole everything from the crown, rebelled, and committed mass treason, if it where up to me, the government would be dismantled and paintings of traitor washington burned!

The rebels, and all soldiers who fought for your traitorous continent have no honour, and deserve none of it. You where founded by a bunch of slave owning racists and lunatics with a false sense of freedom.
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Postby Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:43 am

The German Democratic Reich wrote:Now that all signs of the confederacy are going away, I say we begin tearing apart the US's "union" and its symbols as well. And finally, we can go back to the flag of the United Kingdom. the stars and stripes is a sign of treason and rebellion against the crown and the government after all!

Except Great Britain is not here anymore and the U.S. Is a country.
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Postby Heartlost » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:43 am

Divitaen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Wanna expand upon that?

Don't bother. We'll get a lecture on states' rights and "Southern heritage". We've all heard it a million times.

No, it's a lecture on how the ignorant (like yourself) never learn from history and as such are forever doomed to repeat it.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:44 am

Trollgaard wrote:
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A memorial which happens to be on the grounds of South Carolina's state capitol. By flying it there, the government is essentially telling its citizens that it endorses the values which that flag represents. That's why it needs to come down.


Nonsense. I hope once the issue is debated by the SC government the bill or whatever to remove the flag is defeated. Keep history alive. Keep that glorious battle flag flying high.


I'm not sure if keeping alive SC's history of racially motivated treason would be in their best interests.

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:44 am

Wallenburg wrote:
The German Democratic Reich wrote:Now that all signs of the confederacy are going away, I say we begin tearing apart the US's "union" and its symbols as well. And finally, we can go back to the flag of the United Kingdom. the stars and stripes is a sign of treason and rebellion against the crown and the government after all!

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I think it's supposed to be one of those semi-serious "this is what your ridiculous opinion amounts to," posts, but it just seems weird because you don't share their true opinion and thus don't see the humor. I don't share it either, I think, but their tone makes it somewhat clear what they're actually thinking. Or maybe they are serious. This is NS, and I can't tell what's real anymore.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:46 am

The German Democratic Reich wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Except the United States is an actual country recognized by the entire world.



A "country" (if you call it that) that stole everything from the crown, rebelled, and committed mass treason, if it where up to me, the government would be dismantled and paintings of traitor washington burned!

The rebels, and all soldiers who fought for your traitorous continent have no honour, and deserve none of it. You where founded by a bunch of slave owning racists and lunatics with a false sense of freedom.

Is this real life? Or is this just really thinly-veiled satire in support of the Confederate flag?
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:47 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Yep. A battle standard for future racist killers to rally behind.


A battle standard that honors the dead.

Any fool can use anything as a symbol. To start banning symbols and getting ridding them because a wacko uses them is ridiculous.


Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:47 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
Nonsense. I hope once the issue is debated by the SC government the bill or whatever to remove the flag is defeated. Keep history alive. Keep that glorious battle flag flying high.


I'm not sure if keeping alive SC's history of racially motivated treason would be in their best interests.


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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The German Democratic Reich wrote:

A "country" (if you call it that) that stole everything from the crown, rebelled, and committed mass treason, if it where up to me, the government would be dismantled and paintings of traitor washington burned!

The rebels, and all soldiers who fought for your traitorous continent have no honour, and deserve none of it. You where founded by a bunch of slave owning racists and lunatics with a false sense of freedom.

Is this real life? Or is this just really thinly-veiled satire in support of the Confederate flag?

Probably satire. But also Poe's Law
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Postby Tayner » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 am

Tigeria wrote:
Tayner wrote:You are saying that you support the freedom of expression, but you are also saying that people on the south shouldn't shouldn't have the right to express themselves with the Confederate Flag.

It's like saying you like both penutbutter and jelly, but you hate a penutbutter and jelly sandwich.


Close, but not quite, I believe if people want to support and express southern pride they can, but not with that flag, yes I know it has become the flag of southern pride, but it is not just a pride flag it's a rebel flag that ultimately supports the breakup of the United States.

The Union flag represents how we pushed Native Americans out of our way so we could keep going west. Don't get me wrong, I love the flag, but some of the shit we did to add a few stars to it wasn't really that nice.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The German Democratic Reich wrote:

A "country" (if you call it that) that stole everything from the crown, rebelled, and committed mass treason, if it where up to me, the government would be dismantled and paintings of traitor washington burned!

The rebels, and all soldiers who fought for your traitorous continent have no honour, and deserve none of it. You where founded by a bunch of slave owning racists and lunatics with a false sense of freedom.

Is this real life? Or is this just really thinly-veiled satire in support of the Confederate flag?


It's rather amusing, because if there was no United States in the first place there'd be no Confederate State to secede from it accordingly.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:50 am

Gauthier wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
I'm not sure if keeping alive SC's history of racially motivated treason would be in their best interests.


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Postby Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:50 am

Tayner wrote:
Tigeria wrote:
Close, but not quite, I believe if people want to support and express southern pride they can, but not with that flag, yes I know it has become the flag of southern pride, but it is not just a pride flag it's a rebel flag that ultimately supports the breakup of the United States.

The Union flag represents how we pushed Native Americans out of our way so we could keep going west. Don't get me wrong, I love the flag, but some of the shit we did to add a few stars to it wasn't really that nice.


I Agree, we've done unspeakable things to anyone who isn't white, straight, or Christian.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:51 am

Gauthier wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Is this real life? Or is this just really thinly-veiled satire in support of the Confederate flag?


It's rather amusing, because if there was no United States in the first place there'd be no Confederate State to secede from it accordingly.


Huh, how about that.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:51 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
A battle standard that honors the dead.

Any fool can use anything as a symbol. To start banning symbols and getting ridding them because a wacko uses them is ridiculous.


Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:53 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!


Yeah, how dare those uppity negroes demand they be taken down, just because someone used it as a battle standard before gunning down black people in church! So what if countless white supremacist groups use it as a flag? They're not brown so it's okay!
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:57 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!

I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.
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Postby Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:58 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nobody who's reasonable is advocating that we ban it, just that it should be removed from government buildings.


It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!


You know what? You've convinced me, we should stop what we are doing and fly the confederate flag all over the south, while we are at it we should reinstate all those lovely Jim Crow laws and let the south secede from the union. LET THE CONFEDERACY RETURN IN ALL ITS GLORY!!

On a serious note, no. I agree we shouldn't erase history, but that flag can go, the only place it belongs is in a museum dedicated to the civil war.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:58 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
It shouldn't be removed. In fact, put on back on the state flags that used to have it. Fly the battle flag over the state houses that used to fly them.

Resist this tide of PC lunacy. Don't let social justice warriors and ignorant youth erase history because OMG FEELINGS!!!!!

I am ashamed that my eyes had to read this.


I'm ashamed that taking down the battle flag is even an issue.

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