Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

by **Tayner** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:44 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/so ... -roof.html

I disagree with this, because I don't belive the Confederate Battle Flag to be a symbol of racism. But I posted this to hear the thoughts and opinions of those on NSG. So, what is your stance on this issue?

UPDATE: After Nikki's speech, the house speaker in Mississippi called for a removal of the Confederate Battle Flag to be removed from the state flag, and Walmart and Sears have ceased selling Confederate items.

UPDATE: Alibama Gov. Bentley had the Confederate flag removed from statehouse grounds this morning, and Apple has removed Apps from the App Store that have the Confederate flag in them, excluding historical apps meant for education. Apple is currently working with developers to get some of the apps that were removed back up without the flag.

Source:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/0 ... _from.html
http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple ... rate-flag/

UPDATE: Today, two activists were arrested for removing the Confederate Battle Flag from statehouse grounds. Meanwhile a Pro Flag rally was held today in Alabama and one is planned for Sunday in South Carolina.

SOURCES:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /29383973/

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/0 ... rally.html

by **Justin States** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:46 pm

Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

by **The balkens** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:47 pm

About time.

by **Vaikneland** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

by **Galloism** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Hmm, should our government be endorsing an entity that engaged in rebellion in order to protect their right to own people as slaves?

I think that's the question we should be asking ourselves.

by **Justin States** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:50 pm

Vaikneland wrote:Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

Yes, First Amendment. But, it's flying at a US Memorial. And it represents hate.

by **Neo Rome Republic** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:50 pm

Good. It shouldn't have been there to begin with.

by **Justin States** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:50 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Good. It shouldn't have been there to begin with.

Agreed.

I write stuff · by **New Grestin** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:52 pm

Completely removing personal bias from this and essentially looking at it in a vacuum, I still think this is fine.

The flag of the Confederacy represents an aspect of United States history that we'd be a lot better off just moving on from. It's a flag used by a rebellion that people justify as representing state's rights, yet it suffers from the connotation of slavery, which I don't think I have to point out is one of the worst race crimes in American history.

But, that's just my two cents.

by **Heraklea-** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:54 pm

Vaikneland wrote:Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

On private property, sure. And I'll go ahead and shun the guy who does, since there isn't a single meaning it holds that is in any way positive. The government however should not fly a flag which symbolizes racism, slavery and treason.

Here's a better question. Why does it take atrocities for people to realize that symbols of hate shouldn't be acceptable in public?

by **Polar Svalbard** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:56 pm

That should be illegal to own it's a symbol of division in a people. It was a symbol of slavery and it was rallied behind to cause the deaths of 600,000 Americans. If you fly that I shun you and think you are a disgrace to this country. A good country.

by **Byrrazan** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:59 pm

I don't think it should be taken down, instead it should never touch the ground. Yes what Roof did was racially motivated, and to a point immoral, but they shouldn't have to take down a thing because of the actions of one Aryan man.

by **Osterreich-Bayern** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:01 pm

You can argue whether or not it's racist but it's still a group of people who committed treason agaisnt their nation to oppress a group of people just sick it's celebrated at all

by **Heraklea-** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:03 pm

Byrrazan wrote:I don't think it should be taken down, instead it should never touch the ground. Yes what Roof did was racially motivated, and to a point immoral, but they shouldn't have to taken down a thing because of the actions of one Aryan man.

The action of one man is the final needed catalyst to remove a symbol of hatred and violence. It's not because of him. It's because of all the men like him. It's because of all the people who rally to it as a banner for their hatred of others, their resentment of a society that on the whole rejects their racism and their dreams of rebellion against a government of everyone and not just them.

by **Benuty** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:06 pm

Justin States wrote:Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

Because it was a 1962 concession between a group that wanted to erect it to honor the fallen dead, and those who wanted to tell the integrationists to politely fuck off (not kidding).

by **New Granadeseret** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:06 pm

Down with the traitors and up with the Stars,

Racially antagonistic or not, a symbol of treason shouldn't be flying on the grounds of a public building.

by **LaVeyan Inferno** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:06 pm

It is a step in the right direction in my opinion.

by **Tayner** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:07 pm

Justin States wrote:Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

by **Benuty** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:08 pm

New Granadeseret wrote:Down with the traitors and up with the Stars,

Racially antagonistic or not, a symbol of treason shouldn't be flying on the grounds of a public building.

Nixon disagrees how else do you think Republicans dominated so much of the South as the southern branch of the Democrat party either collapsed or switched bases?

Southern Strategy is still winging it even today.

by **Heraklea-** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:09 pm

Tayner wrote:
Justin States wrote:Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

Those who fought for the Confederacy had no honor and deserve no memorial.

by **Benuty** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:10 pm

Tayner wrote:
Justin States wrote:Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

Mind you the agreement to keep the flag up had some less than stellar opinions toward the integration efforts of the 1950s (which as you know spilled into the 1960s). In a way I suppose it was a deal with the devil, and a really bad deal at that.

I write stuff · by **New Grestin** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:10 pm

Honestly, my main problem is the fact that it's the flag of The Confederacy, which seceded from the United States because of various reasons.

In my mind, while I'm no patriot, you wouldn't see me flying the flag of The New Texas Republic if they finally put their big boy pants on and seceded.

The addition of the slavery connotation makes it even more problematic. I believe people should be able to fly the flag on private property, should they so choose, but it shouldn't be flown on government property.

by **Benuty** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Heraklea- wrote:
Tayner wrote:Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

Those who fought for the Confederacy had no honor and deserve no memorial.

Yeah because lets forget the fact both sides were utterly terrible in multiple ways. It was one branch of cultural institutions fighting another over what was essentially a "my ego is bigger" conflict. Guess who for the most part died?

Immigrants, the poor, civilians caught in the crossfire, and the poor bastards who wanted their own version of either the American/Confederate dream. Besides you in no way can provide a source declaring that everyone who fought for the Confederacy had no "honor".

by **Vaikneland** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:13 pm

I think they should just put it to vote already

by **Geilinor** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Finally, the only flags that should be flown are the American and South Carolinian flags.

Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

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