2015 Canadian Election

[Fanosolia]

... That's like saying W Bush was a freaking commie how does one encounter someone like that?

CBC story comment section on facebook.

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

[Geilinor]

CBC story comment section on facebook.

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

Asked for a response Wednesday, Conservative campaign spokesman Stephen Lecce referred the Star to a comment he made Aug. 6, when Brazeau posted to Twitter that he had attempted suicide: “It’s concerning, and we sincerely encourage Mr. Brazeau to seek the help he needs.”

Did he really attempt suicide?

[Nation of Quebec]

CBC story comment section on facebook.

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

While I agree with Brazeau on that point, I don't think anybody would want his endorsement considering he's facing multiple criminal charges right now. Then again, it's another example of Harper's poor judgement for appointing him to the Senate in the first place.

[Fanosolia]

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

Asked for a response Wednesday, Conservative campaign spokesman Stephen Lecce referred the Star to a comment he made Aug. 6, when Brazeau posted to Twitter that he had attempted suicide: “It’s concerning, and we sincerely encourage Mr. Brazeau to seek the help he needs.”

Did he really attempt suicide?

I don't know. This is the first time I've even heard about the guy. Though this may need to be fact checked, due to his charges, it doesn't seem too unlikely.

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

While I agree with Brazeau on that point, I don't think anybody would want his endorsement considering he's facing multiple criminal charges right now. Then again, it's another example of Harper's poor judgement for appointing him to the Senate in the first place.

That's part of the reason I'm skeptical honestly. Like this seems earnest, and what he says speaks to me, but I'm unsure of his intentions. ... God that sounded cold of me...

[MERIZoC]

CBC story comment section on facebook.

Oh god, I've learn the hard way never to look at a comment section of something political, there are some people their that are on the level and then... you got the rage inducers like that.

Oh if we're still talking about conservatives in the party that are against harper, I just read this article from the star. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-ele ... olumn.html

Now, I'm still personally skeptical as these are some big claims, but if what Brazeau is true then well... Yeah this party is worse than I thought.

Oh goodness, while that's amusing, it's rather pathetic that we're still listening to what Brazeau has to say.

[Oneracon]

I'm getting a kick out of most seat projections putting the Bloc at literally zero seats in the next parliament, given the NDP's "Fortress Quebec" becoming the new political reality.

[Nation of Quebec]

I'm getting a kick out of most seat projections putting the Bloc at literally zero seats in the next parliament, given the NDP's "Fortress Quebec" becoming the new political reality.

Normally I welcome more voices in Parliament, I have to say I'm glad to see this. Hopefully this means Quebec can finally put all the talks of separatism behind it.

I wouldn't mind if Strength and Democracy took a seat. They are much more reasonable than the Bloc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/strengt ... -1.3204748

This article essentially explains what the party is about for anyone who is curious.

[Ainin]

I'm very perplexed as to why Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean consistently votes for the Harper Tories when it's the birthplace and stronghold of the sovereignist movement.

[Fanosolia]

I'm getting a kick out of most seat projections putting the Bloc at literally zero seats in the next parliament, given the NDP's "Fortress Quebec" becoming the new political reality.

Normally I welcome more voices in Parliament, I have to say I'm glad to see this. Hopefully this means Quebec can finally put all the talks of separatism behind it.

I wouldn't mind if Strength and Democracy took a seat. They are much more reasonable than the Bloc.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/strengt ... -1.3204748

This article essentially explains what the party is about for anyone who is curious.

Defiantly prefer them over the bloc. I would have liked more detailed answers than what was given in the article, but yeah best of wishes to them. That also explains they got into the house without being elected when the party was formed.

[MERIZoC]

I wouldn't mind Bloc holding a handful of seats. I like Duceppe, more or less, and they are another leftist voice, so there's that.

[Nation of Quebec]

I'm very perplexed as to why Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean consistently votes for the Harper Tories when it's the birthplace and stronghold of the sovereignist movement.

What riding is that in?

With the latest polls coming out of Quebec, the Conservatives stand to actually lose seats and struggle to hold on to what they have in the province.

[Saint-Thor]

I'm getting a kick out of most seat projections putting the Bloc at literally zero seats in the next parliament, given the NDP's "Fortress Quebec" becoming the new political reality.

Normally I welcome more voices in Parliament, I have to say I'm glad to see this. Hopefully this means Quebec can finally put all the talks of separatism behind it.

You'd be surprised to see how many independentists are involved within that party. Nearly all of the people I know who are independentist, some of them very hardcore, will be voting for NDP. They were pleased about the Sherbrooke declaration and believe that the NDP is the best option in Ottawa.

I'm very perplexed as to why Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean consistently votes for the Harper Tories when it's the birthplace and stronghold of the sovereignist movement.

Sronghold of course. But not the birthplace of the sovereignist movement (thank you for using "sovereignist" and not "separatist"). It is however the birthplace of Lucien Bouchard who was fiscally conservative AND sovereignist. Both are not mutually exclusive. The CAQ was formed by right wing independentists (and ex ADQ). From what I heard, they do like Denis Lebel a lot. Sometimes, the MP's popularity is more important than the leader, or the party itself.

To me, the birthplace of sovereignism is the Lower Richelieu. The birthplace of the Rebellion of lower Canada. Nowadays, a lot of houses and properties still wave the patriot flag (not even Québec flag).

[Great Franconia and Verana]

What does everyone think about the big debate over the deficit? Both the NDP and Tories are calling fort it to be eliminated by next year, while the Liberals are going to take 3 years of "modest" deficits to invest in infrastructure and other things to try and stop the recession.

The most fascinating thing for me was the NDPs balanced budget rule, they are really gunning for centrist voters

[Fanosolia]

What does everyone think about the big debate over the deficit? Both the NDP and Tories are calling fort it to be eliminated by next year, while the Liberals are going to take 3 years of "modest" deficits to invest in infrastructure and other things to try and stop the recession.

The most fascinating thing for me was the NDPs balanced budget rule, they are really gunning for centrist voters

I could go either way on it personally. On one hand if you have a deficit but your country experiences growth during that time until the "budgets balance themselves", if I'm to use a quote, since then you get to the same point without having the taxpayers (at least in short term) or public services take a hit. Of course, it all depends on the competency of the government, and in Trudeau's case if his income tax plan will affect revenues in a positive way.

On the other hand, getting a handle on finances to do the same thing, but maybe more gradually has its perks too. I would probably need to look at some studies before I make a say something for sure. Though I will say, so long as we have economic growth I'd be okay with some deficit.

[Nation of Quebec]

What does everyone think about the big debate over the deficit? Both the NDP and Tories are calling fort it to be eliminated by next year, while the Liberals are going to take 3 years of "modest" deficits to invest in infrastructure and other things to try and stop the recession.

The most fascinating thing for me was the NDPs balanced budget rule, they are really gunning for centrist voters

I always found it ironic for the Tories to go on about deficits and balanced budgets when they couldn't produce a a balanced budget since taking power.

It is surprising for me to hear the NDP make that pledge as well. I guess they really are moving to the center.

[Ainin]

I'm very perplexed as to why Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean consistently votes for the Harper Tories when it's the birthplace and stronghold of the sovereignist movement.

What riding is that in?

With the latest polls coming out of Quebec, the Conservatives stand to actually lose seats and struggle to hold on to what they have in the province.

Robertval—Lac-Saint-Jean and Jonquière—Alma in 2011. Lac-Saint-Jean and Jonquière this time around.

ThreeHundredEight predicts that Lac-Saint-Jean will stay Tory. Jonquière was Tory until 2011 when it turned orange along with the rest of Quebec. It'll probably stay that way; I can't imagine the Harper Tories making any gains in Francophone Quebec. They may take Mont-Royal but that's at the Liberals' expense. Although the fact that Greater Montreal hasn't elected a single Tory in a quarter-century might put a damper on things.

I'm very perplexed as to why Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean consistently votes for the Harper Tories when it's the birthplace and stronghold of the sovereignist movement.

Sronghold of course. But not the birthplace of the sovereignist movement (thank you for using "sovereignist" and not "separatist"). It is however the birthplace of Lucien Bouchard who was fiscally conservative AND sovereignist. Both are not mutually exclusive. The CAQ was formed by right wing independentists (and ex ADQ). From what I heard, they do like Denis Lebel a lot. Sometimes, the MP's popularity is more important than the leader, or the party itself.

To me, the birthplace of sovereignism is the Lower Richelieu. The birthplace of the Rebellion of lower Canada. Nowadays, a lot of houses and properties still wave the patriot flag (not even Québec flag).

Right, that makes sense. It just seemed like an oddity since the districts of the Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean region (except for last year) always returns huge mandates for the ostensibly social democratic Parti Québécois.

[Nation of Quebec]

What riding is that in?

With the latest polls coming out of Quebec, the Conservatives stand to actually lose seats and struggle to hold on to what they have in the province.

Robertval—Lac-Saint-Jean and Jonquière—Alma in 2011. Lac-Saint-Jean and Jonquière this time around.

ThreeHundredEight predicts that Lac-Saint-Jean will stay Tory. Jonquière was Tory until 2011 when it turned orange along with the rest of Quebec. It'll probably stay that way; I can't imagine the Harper Tories making any gains in Francophone Quebec. They may take Mont-Royal but that's at the Liberals' expense. Although the fact that Greater Montreal hasn't elected a single Tory in a quarter-century might put a damper on things.

If the Quebec polls are to believed, the Tories will have a hard time even holding on to what they have in the province. They always love to claim that they will make inroads into Montreal (especially the Mount Royal riding which they have a creepy obsession with), but it never happens. I doubt it will happen this year when they are polling much lower than they were in 2011.

[Ainin]

Tbh, I don't see much changing in Quebec.

A Tory riding or two near Quebec City might turn orange, the tiny Bloc caucus will likely be obliterated by the NDP and the Liberals will likely retake the Anglophone Montreal West Island riding of Pierrefonds-Roxboro from the NDP. Strength in Democracy will probably die a quiet death at the hands of the NDP. I don't see anything else changing.

Francophone Quebec won't vote for a Trudeau, Montreal will never elect a Tory, right-wingers won't vote for the NDP, Bloc's renewal is dead on arrival; not much space for change.

[The Greater Union of Kinnota]

I find it a little unsettling that NDP is straying from its social democratic ideals, what with Mulcair's "newfound" centre-right leanings in the wake of this slight recession. They're becoming more of a neoliberal, third-way, Blair-esque-type party, something that I personally am not supportive of. I was really hoping that NDP would provide a solid centre-left alternative to the Liberals and Conservatives (namely, one that was progressive and environmentally friendly, yet viable), but as of late, I am not so certain.

[MERIZoC]

I find it a little unsettling that NDP is straying from its social democratic ideals, what with Mulcair's "newfound" centre-right leanings in the wake of this slight recession. They're becoming more of a neoliberal, third-way, Blair-esque-type party, something that I personally am not supportive of. I was really hoping that NDP would provide a solid centre-left alternative to the Liberals and Conservatives (namely, one that was progressive and environmentally friendly, yet viable), but as of late, I am not so certain.

It's what SocDems and DemSocs have been doing around the world for the past couple of decades. UK Labour, Danish Social Democrats, Brazil's Worker's Party, and of course, SYRIZA are all just a few examples.

[The Greater Union of Kinnota]

I find it a little unsettling that NDP is straying from its social democratic ideals, what with Mulcair's "newfound" centre-right leanings in the wake of this slight recession. They're becoming more of a neoliberal, third-way, Blair-esque-type party, something that I personally am not supportive of. I was really hoping that NDP would provide a solid centre-left alternative to the Liberals and Conservatives (namely, one that was progressive and environmentally friendly, yet viable), but as of late, I am not so certain.

It's what SocDems and DemSocs have been doing around the world for the past couple of decades. UK Labour, Danish Social Democrats, Brazil's Worker's Party, and of course, SYRIZA are all just a few examples.

I know, it's just dissappointing. I hope there'll one day be a return to that kind of sentiment, though. In the meantime, if NDP's rightward shift keeps up, I guess yet again there's not much of a viable option for social democracy/democratic socialism in North American politics. So sad, but so predictable. I guess we'll see what develops, hopefully NDP will stick to their guns, or the Liberals all of a sudden move left. Until then, I share your sentiment in that Harper's an ass, either way.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Tbh, I don't see much changing in Quebec.

A Tory riding or two near Quebec City might turn orange, the tiny Bloc caucus will likely be obliterated by the NDP and the Liberals will likely retake the Anglophone Montreal West Island riding of Pierrefonds-Roxboro from the NDP. Strength in Democracy will probably die a quiet death at the hands of the NDP. I don't see anything else changing.

Francophone Quebec won't vote for a Trudeau, Montreal will never elect a Tory, right-wingers won't vote for the NDP, Bloc's renewal is dead on arrival; not much space for change.

I'm inclined to agree. The largest changes will undoubtedly come from Alberta and Ontario, maybe even BC will have some large changes. The outskirts of Vancouver and the inland regions that traditionally vote Tory could have threats from the NDP. Vancouver Island is largely Tory held as well, but I see this changing. As for Alberta, with the NDP surge there, I expect most urban ridings to go NDP, as well as quite a few random ass ridings that have traditionally been Tory as fuck.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I find it a little unsettling that NDP is straying from its social democratic ideals, what with Mulcair's "newfound" centre-right leanings in the wake of this slight recession. They're becoming more of a neoliberal, third-way, Blair-esque-type party, something that I personally am not supportive of. I was really hoping that NDP would provide a solid centre-left alternative to the Liberals and Conservatives (namely, one that was progressive and environmentally friendly, yet viable), but as of late, I am not so certain.

It's what SocDems and DemSocs have been doing around the world for the past couple of decades. UK Labour, Danish Social Democrats, Brazil's Worker's Party, and of course, SYRIZA are all just a few examples.

SYRIZA had no choice, Labour is about to be led by a near marxist, and the Brazilian Workers Party is led by a quasi-chavist who has led her country straight to stagnation and economic stasis.

But, that's all for another thread.

[New Werpland]

SYRIZA had no choice, Labour is about to be led by a near marxist, and the Brazilian Workers Party is led by a quasi-chavist who has led her country straight to stagnation and economic stasis.

Out of curiosity what did you think of Lula?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

SYRIZA had no choice, Labour is about to be led by a near marxist, and the Brazilian Workers Party is led by a quasi-chavist who has led her country straight to stagnation and economic stasis.

Out of curiosity what did you think of Lula?

He had a successful tenure as the President of Brazil, though I recognize that his administration spent too much and was corrupt at times. Though, he was infinitely better than Dilma. I'd rather a gopher with an extra chromosome run Brazil than Dilma.