2015 Canadian Election

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A majority means you have the power to pass laws without opposition. And debates on laws to pass with a majority are pointless.

A Minority means you have to have a debate in the parliament plus a full vote. This can also mean that laws passed by the govt might not pass if the opposition is stronger. This can be avoided by going into a coalition with other parties.

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

Passing partisan legislation is an issue; bipartisan legislation is not notably more difficult. It's not like minority governments end up plagued with gridlock, like that clusterfuck of a state that US is in.

[Canadian Davsland]

A majority means you have the power to pass laws without opposition. And debates on laws to pass with a majority are pointless.

A Minority means you have to have a debate in the parliament plus a full vote. This can also mean that laws passed by the govt might not pass if the opposition is stronger. This can be avoided by going into a coalition with other parties.

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary. Germany is a good example of this. They have a CDU (Christian Democratic Union), CSU (Christian Social Union of Bavaria), and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) Govt run by Angela Merkel.

[Canadian Davsland]

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

Passing partisan legislation is an issue; bipartisan legislation is not notably more difficult. It's not like minority governments end up plagued with gridlock, like that clusterfuck of a state that US is in.

If a minority govt doesn't have enough support (passing a budget) for instance, than a vote of confidence can be called and the Govt can be defeated in that.

[Gim]

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary. Germany is a good example of this. They have a CDU (Christian Democratic Union), CSU (Christian Social Union of Bavaria), and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) Govt run by Angela Merkel.

So is Merkel in one of those parties or is she just a separate entity? Sorry to digress; I just had thise one question. We know that Harper was within the Conservative party, when his party was a minority a few years ago.

[Canadian Davsland]

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary. Germany is a good example of this. They have a CDU (Christian Democratic Union), CSU (Christian Social Union of Bavaria), and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) Govt run by Angela Merkel.

So is Merkel in one of those parties or is she just a separate entity? Sorry to digress; I just had thise one question. We know that Harper was within the Conservative party, when his party was a minority a few years ago.

Merkel is the leader of the CDU (Christian Democratic Union) and is Chancellor of Germany. Harper had a minority in 2006 (lasted two years) and 2008 (lasted three years).

[Gim]

So is Merkel in one of those parties or is she just a separate entity? Sorry to digress; I just had thise one question. We know that Harper was within the Conservative party, when his party was a minority a few years ago.

Merkel is the leader of the CDU (Christian Democratic Union) and is Chancellor of Germany. Harper had a minority in 2006 (lasted two years) and 2008 (lasted three years).

Okay, so the situation in Germany is similar to that in Canada in 2006 and 2008. Thank you.

[Canadian Davsland]

Merkel is the leader of the CDU (Christian Democratic Union) and is Chancellor of Germany. Harper had a minority in 2006 (lasted two years) and 2008 (lasted three years).

Okay, so the situation in Germany is similar to that in Canada in 2006 and 2008. Thank you.

Your welcome. But Germany has a coalition, and Canada in 2006 and 2008 one party minority.

[Nation of Quebec]

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary. Germany is a good example of this. They have a CDU (Christian Democratic Union), CSU (Christian Social Union of Bavaria), and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) Govt run by Angela Merkel.

It's funny when Harper always rails against coalition governments even though they're a perfectly valid and legal form of government. The UK Tories (who I'd much rather have than the Harper Conservatives), relied on a coalition government until the most recent election. Israel, a country which Stephen Harper seems to love more than his own, has a coalition government.

I don't see a coalition government happening this time. Trudeau rejects the idea whenever the NDP offer it to him and both Trudeau and Mulcair have said they won't work with Harper.

[Ainin]

At this point, a Christian Heritage/Rhinoceros coalition government sounds more palatable than four more years of Tory majority rule.

[Fanosolia]

At this point, a Christian Heritage/Rhinoceros coalition government sounds more palatable than four more years of Tory majority rule.

NO! No! don't even joke about that! Just no.

That might have been an inappropriate out burst, but tories, other then being cheats among other things, is alot more tolerable than a christian party being elected, or any religious party for that matter.

[Naushantiya]

Pour victoire, qubecquois bloc

[Kvatchdom]

At this point, a Christian Heritage/Rhinoceros coalition government sounds more palatable than four more years of Tory majority rule.

NO! No! don't even joke about that! Just no.

That might have been an inappropriate out burst, but tories, other then being cheats among other things, is alot more tolerable than a christian party being elected, or any religious party for that matter.

I dunno, the German CDU is quite tolerable.

[Fanosolia]

NO! No! don't even joke about that! Just no.

That might have been an inappropriate out burst, but tories, other then being cheats among other things, is alot more tolerable than a christian party being elected, or any religious party for that matter.

I dunno, the German CDU is quite tolerable.

Yeah CHP is not tolerable at all. Apparently they're against bill c-51 (apparently worried about accountability), surprisingly, and share some reforms with liberals, but that still doesn't change the fact they're the tories just highly anti-LGBT as well if I remember the one time they visited the site as well.

[Maineiacs]

We have not had anything close to an organized far right since the inter-war period, The National Social Chretain and the Canadian Union of Fascists ended that, Anything short of that is simple ignorance and Left wing naivety. At MOST the Christian Social Party is possibly closer, but the Torries are about as far right as Churchill or The Democratic party.

Jean Chrétien was NOT fascist. And the toiries in Canada are further to the right than the British Tories, and basically as far to the right as the GOP in the US.

Saudi Arabia isn't as far right as the GOP.

[The Archregimancy]

Ah, I see, passing laws is an issue. Thank you for the clear statements.

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary.

That's not strictly speaking true.

If a country has a form of PR, a majority government is perfectly possible provided that one party exceeds a 50% vote share, or a vote share sufficiently close to 50% so as to permit a majority under the system in use in that particular country.

Here's an example of a country electing a majority government (on a 45% vote share) back in 2005: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugues ... tion,_2005

It would be much better to say that where PR is in use, majority governments are typically much harder to form; but impossible? No.

[Fanosolia]

Jean Chrétien was NOT fascist. And the toiries in Canada are further to the right than the British Tories, and basically as far to the right as the GOP in the US.

Saudi Arabia isn't as far right as the GOP.

Okay when people say right and left, including far, are they using the one dimensional, or the two dimensional graph with libertarian and authoritarian? I know it's still a distraction at the end of the day, but moments like this confuse me.

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Passing partisan legislation is an issue; bipartisan legislation is not notably more difficult. It's not like minority governments end up plagued with gridlock, like that clusterfuck of a state that US is in.

If a minority govt doesn't have enough support (passing a budget) for instance, than a vote of confidence can be called and the Govt can be defeated in that.

That is exactly what I said, what I have said. Minority governments have difficulty passing partisan legislation, because they need another party to cooperate with them; that is why minority governments most often create bipartisan legislation.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So 1.6 M Canadians voted in advance polls. (The source)
(I wish I could vote)
Must be a big rush to get Mr. "Marijuana is more evil then cigarettes" Harper out of office.

[Ainin]

At this point, a Christian Heritage/Rhinoceros coalition government sounds more palatable than four more years of Tory majority rule.

NO! No! don't even joke about that! Just no.

That might have been an inappropriate out burst, but tories, other then being cheats among other things, is alot more tolerable than a christian party being elected, or any religious party for that matter.

Out of the two parties I named:

One is Social Credit Lite.
One wants to declare war on Belgium, secede from North America and deport Stockwell Day.

I think you're worried about the wrong one

[Fanosolia]

NO! No! don't even joke about that! Just no.

That might have been an inappropriate out burst, but tories, other then being cheats among other things, is alot more tolerable than a christian party being elected, or any religious party for that matter.

Out of the two parties I named:

One is Social Credit Lite.
One wants to declare war on Belgium, secede from North America and deport Stockwell Day.

I think you're worried about the wrong one

Lite? how so?

No one except for vote protesters would look at rhino party and say, "yeah I'd for that." I don't think want one would buy their lemon party-sque bs. CHP, I see people would vote for. I don't know maybe that's me being hostile to any theological based party. Other than that, not a fan of their position save for maybe two, and one;s only for morbid curiosity.

[Canadian Davsland]

You're very welcome.

Some countries also have Proportional Representation, which means a Majority Govt is Impossible, so Coalition Govts are necessary. Germany is a good example of this. They have a CDU (Christian Democratic Union), CSU (Christian Social Union of Bavaria), and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) Govt run by Angela Merkel.

It's funny when Harper always rails against coalition governments even though they're a perfectly valid and legal form of government. The UK Tories (who I'd much rather have than the Harper Conservatives), relied on a coalition government until the most recent election. Israel, a country which Stephen Harper seems to love more than his own, has a coalition government.

I don't see a coalition government happening this time. Trudeau rejects the idea whenever the NDP offer it to him and both Trudeau and Mulcair have said they won't work with Harper.

Yes but pressure will be on both Trudeau and Mulclair from their respective parties to form a coalition. Even if they didn't the Tories would be powerless in the Parliament if they tried to pull a trick against Canada again.

[Canadian Davsland]

If a minority govt doesn't have enough support (passing a budget) for instance, than a vote of confidence can be called and the Govt can be defeated in that.

That is exactly what I said, what I have said. Minority governments have difficulty passing partisan legislation, because they need another party to cooperate with them; that is why minority governments most often create bipartisan legislation.

True. But there is nothing bipartisan about the Tories.

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That is exactly what I said, what I have said. Minority governments have difficulty passing partisan legislation, because they need another party to cooperate with them; that is why minority governments most often create bipartisan legislation.

True. But there is nothing bipartisan about the Tories.

Not when they don't need to be, no, but the same is true for any political party which forms a majority government. One should keep in mind, that the Tories formed two minority governments before they won a majority, and it's not like Parliament Hill ground to a screeching halt. The potential for a vote of no confidence essentially requires that minority governments cooperate and pass bipartisan legislation, or get tossed in favour of a new minority government which will.

[Union of Confederate Socialist Republics]

I've got a question, do any of you believe the polls saying Trudeau is in the lead, or it's just unreliable figures?

[Gim]

I've got a question, do any of you believe the polls saying Trudeau is in the lead, or it's just unreliable figures?

Do you have a source?
If this is just a word of mouth, I doubt the rumor is true. Most people know Trudeau is incapable of becoming a PM.