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Who will you vote for in the federal election?

Conservative (Stephen Harper)
156
30%
Liberal (Justin Trudeau)
117
23%
NDP (Thomas Mulcair)
132
25%
Green Party (Elizabeth May)
25
5%
Bloc Québécois (Gilles Duceppe)
25
5%
Other party please specify
11
2%
Undecided
9
2%
I'm not voting
44
8%
 
Total votes : 519

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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:12 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Say, if we were to break up the Lcbo and beer store would that be on provincial level or federal? I hear this debate quite a bit.

Noooo idea. But it should be done.


Well agreed. :p
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:15 pm

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Fanosolia wrote:
How does one such a culture then?


How would I know? One thing I suggest is that the culture be destroyed, because it is not really helping at all. Medical marijuana? Just go to a doctor, really.

Or you let people be part of the "culture" if they want to be.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:23 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The NDP is set to become the second party of Canada this election. That's not unpopularity.

And I'm wondering how you think the NDP of all parties wouldn't be the ones securing pensions and child tax benefits.

According to the poll Fanosolia posted on the last page, the NDP could be the first party.

I'm a bit hesitant to say they definitely have it in the bag, but I do hope they win. Even if they don't they will replace the Liberals as the other major party in Canadian politics. It'll be weird as an ex-Liberal sitting on the centre/centre-left of the NDP. But enh, you gotta go where the river takes ya eh.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:27 pm

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Haan wrote:They would. Conservatives are the safer approach, because I'm afraid we'll have Marijuana smokers all over the place, once the NDP assumes power in the Parliament.


Hah. Coming from someone who lives in BC, it's a bit late for that.

Shit mang in Winnipeg there is tons of pot. And our cops don't care. They have to deal with gangs like the Indian Posse, the Hells Angels, etc. So long as you aren't driving a car or operating heavy machinery they don't give a toss.

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Fanosolia
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:29 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Hah. Coming from someone who lives in BC, it's a bit late for that.

Shit mang in Winnipeg there is tons of pot. And our cops don't care. They have to deal with gangs like the Indian Posse, the Hells Angels, etc. So long as you aren't driving a car or operating heavy machinery they don't give a toss.


holy hell... and I thought if pot was legal it was going to be tough to get the ball rolling and get enough supply to bring the price down.

... Or should I say bowl rolling? :p
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:36 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Shit mang in Winnipeg there is tons of pot. And our cops don't care. They have to deal with gangs like the Indian Posse, the Hells Angels, etc. So long as you aren't driving a car or operating heavy machinery they don't give a toss.


holy hell... and I thought if pot was legal it was going to be tough to get the ball rolling and get enough supply to bring the price down.

... Or should I say bowl rolling? :p

I think you mean blunt. ;) Unless you're talking about a bowl of M&M's for munchie time.

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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:53 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
holy hell... and I thought if pot was legal it was going to be tough to get the ball rolling and get enough supply to bring the price down.

... Or should I say bowl rolling? :p

I think you mean blunt. ;) Unless you're talking about a bowl of M&M's for munchie time.


that makes more sense, but i though bowl was slang for a bong, no? Mind you I'm not a user so all I know is it smells like dead skunk XD


darn it! still it's better than second.
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Postby Ainin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:54 pm

I can't vote, but I support the NDP.

10 years of Tory rule is 10 years too many. The Grits would never win my riding (it's in French Quebec), so NDP it is.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Geilinor wrote:According to the poll Fanosolia posted on the last page, the NDP could be the first party.

Everything's a little muddled now since there was a Mainstreet Media/National Post poll that put the Cons in first place... but a Forum Research poll that was concluded the day before had them in third place and the rest of the polls before then had them in second place.

We'll need to see some more polls to determine if the Mainstreet poll's result was a blip or if the Cons are actually gaining ground again.


I trust a reputable pollster like Forum way more than I trust a polling company commissioned by a biased Conservative source that has never done a federal poll before. We'll have to see if other pollsters correspond with this trend before we can say it's more than just an outliner poll.

I think people are getting too hasty in writing off the Liberals or calling them extinct. They should at least double their result from last time. The CBC Poll Tracker currently has them with 84 seats.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:11 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Everything's a little muddled now since there was a Mainstreet Media/National Post poll that put the Cons in first place... but a Forum Research poll that was concluded the day before had them in third place and the rest of the polls before then had them in second place.

We'll need to see some more polls to determine if the Mainstreet poll's result was a blip or if the Cons are actually gaining ground again.


I trust a reputable pollster like Forum way more than I trust a polling company commissioned by a biased Conservative source that has never done a federal poll before. We'll have to see if other pollsters correspond with this trend before we can say it's more than just an outliner poll.

I think people are getting too hasty in writing off the Liberals or calling them extinct. They should at least double their result from last time. The CBC Poll Tracker currently has them with 84 seats.


Well, it's unfair to call them extinct, but on the same token, they're hardly making a recovery. They could very well place third in this election, unless they rebound by some miracle. If they place third two elections in a row, they could very well occupy the position the NDP has for decades.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:34 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Nation of Quebec wrote:
I trust a reputable pollster like Forum way more than I trust a polling company commissioned by a biased Conservative source that has never done a federal poll before. We'll have to see if other pollsters correspond with this trend before we can say it's more than just an outliner poll.

I think people are getting too hasty in writing off the Liberals or calling them extinct. They should at least double their result from last time. The CBC Poll Tracker currently has them with 84 seats.


Well, it's unfair to call them extinct, but on the same token, they're hardly making a recovery. They could very well place third in this election, unless they rebound by some miracle. If they place third two elections in a row, they could very well occupy the position the NDP has for decades.

The Liberals can't do worse than the 36 seats they have now.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:37 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Everything's a little muddled now since there was a Mainstreet Media/National Post poll that put the Cons in first place... but a Forum Research poll that was concluded the day before had them in third place and the rest of the polls before then had them in second place.

We'll need to see some more polls to determine if the Mainstreet poll's result was a blip or if the Cons are actually gaining ground again.


I trust a reputable pollster like Forum way more than I trust a polling company commissioned by a biased Conservative source that has never done a federal poll before. We'll have to see if other pollsters correspond with this trend before we can say it's more than just an outliner poll.

I think people are getting too hasty in writing off the Liberals or calling them extinct. They should at least double their result from last time. The CBC Poll Tracker currently has them with 84 seats.

They're far from extinct, but if they remain the third party after this election (as they likely will) then I don't think they'll return to being "Canada's Natural Governing Party" for a long time.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:41 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I think you mean blunt. ;) Unless you're talking about a bowl of M&M's for munchie time.


that makes more sense, but i though bowl was slang for a bong, no? Mind you I'm not a user so all I know is it smells like dead skunk XD

I'm not a user either I've just never heard of a bong being referred to as a bowl. Then again I guess it may very well be but isn't in pop culture's mindset when they think of stoner slang.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Well, it's unfair to call them extinct, but on the same token, they're hardly making a recovery. They could very well place third in this election, unless they rebound by some miracle. If they place third two elections in a row, they could very well occupy the position the NDP has for decades.

The Liberals can't do worse than the 36 seats they have now.

It is possible as history has a couple of very recent examples of this. Take Mulroney's Tories. When they took a majority government in 1988 they had 169 seats and 43.02% of the popular vote. In the 1993 election, they suffered a massive fall from grace (official party status requires 12 seats), landing only 2 seats with only 16% of the popular vote. Similarly the Bloc Quebec lost official party status in the last election. In 2008, they won 49 seats, only to go way down to 4 seats in 2011.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:45 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The Liberals can't do worse than the 36 seats they have now.

It is possible as history has a couple of very recent examples of this. Take Mulroney's Tories. When they took a majority government in 1988 they had 169 seats and 43.02% of the popular vote. In the 1993 election, they suffered a massive fall from grace (official party status requires 12 seats), landing only 2 seats with only 16% of the popular vote. Similarly the Bloc Quebec lost official party status in the last election. In 2008, they won 49 seats, only to go way down to 4 seats in 2011.

Given the polls, that kind of a collapse isn't going to happen unless they screw up badly.
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:53 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
that makes more sense, but i though bowl was slang for a bong, no? Mind you I'm not a user so all I know is it smells like dead skunk XD

I'm not a user either I've just never heard of a bong being referred to as a bowl. Then again I guess it may very well be but isn't in pop culture's mindset when they think of stoner slang.


Meh, to be honest I heard it when I listened to "the devil went down to Jamaica" so they could have just been stretched for lyrics. :P

anyways sorry about getting off topic
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Postby Haan (Ancient) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:57 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The Liberals can't do worse than the 36 seats they have now.

It is possible as history has a couple of very recent examples of this. Take Mulroney's Tories. When they took a majority government in 1988 they had 169 seats and 43.02% of the popular vote. In the 1993 election, they suffered a massive fall from grace (official party status requires 12 seats), landing only 2 seats with only 16% of the popular vote. Similarly the Bloc Quebec lost official party status in the last election. In 2008, they won 49 seats, only to go way down to 4 seats in 2011.


That could happen, all because of childish Justin Trudeau. Sorry for the Liberal fans. :(

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:51 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:It is possible as history has a couple of very recent examples of this. Take Mulroney's Tories. When they took a majority government in 1988 they had 169 seats and 43.02% of the popular vote. In the 1993 election, they suffered a massive fall from grace (official party status requires 12 seats), landing only 2 seats with only 16% of the popular vote. Similarly the Bloc Quebec lost official party status in the last election. In 2008, they won 49 seats, only to go way down to 4 seats in 2011.

Given the polls, that kind of a collapse isn't going to happen unless they screw up badly.


With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.
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Postby Haan (Ancient) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:52 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Given the polls, that kind of a collapse isn't going to happen unless they screw up badly.


With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.


Didn't his mother intervene to "leave him alone" amidst all the media scrutiny he was receiving?

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:53 pm

Haan wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.


Didn't his mother intervene to "leave him alone" amidst all the media scrutiny he was receiving?


Lord knows at this point, it doesn't sound unlikely.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:54 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Given the polls, that kind of a collapse isn't going to happen unless they screw up badly.


With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.

I know that Trudeau is inexperienced and not a good leader, but how stupid do you think he is?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:57 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.

I know that Trudeau is inexperienced and not a good leader, but how stupid do you think he is?


I'm being kinda lighthearted, as per usual. Though, I don't think he's very smart. He seems overly cocky, inexperienced, and has said some simply inane things in the last several months alone. Honestly, he was raised in a political family, so his political life was spoonfed to him. That's the issue with political dynasty, the sons and daughters of statesmen aren't always able to follow in their footsteps, nor do they always have the brains and capabilities necessary to run a country.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:15 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Given the polls, that kind of a collapse isn't going to happen unless they screw up badly.


With Justin Trudeau at the helm, anything is possible. He inherited his dad's jackassery. Damn shame he didn't inherit the brains.


Pierre Trudeau has a mix legacy, but we must recognize that he did some good things.

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