[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread

[Grave_n_idle]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

Passion isn't necessarily good. Practising a speech beforehand isn't necessarily bad.

[Corrian]

Passion isn't necessarily good. Practising a speech beforehand isn't necessarily bad.

It still stands out so much while watching Hillary that it really bothers me for some reason, though.

[Unified Gibbons]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

She's no Bill Clinton, that is for sure. She gives you the feeling she is talking down to you. They need to get that out of her mannerisms fast.

Agreed. Bernie Sanders shows actual emotion during most of his speeches, doesn't have an email scandal weighing him down and has very modernized west Europe esque polices and has views which most left-wing Americans can agree on. That's why I'm Bernie Sanders all the way.

[Twilight Imperium]

Passion isn't necessarily good. Practising a speech beforehand isn't necessarily bad.

It still stands out so much while watching Hillary that it really bothers me for some reason, though.

Yeah. Like Sagal said, it's like Hillary is a cat, ignoring you unless she wants something from you, and if she does want something from you, you only get a carefully calculated amount of attention to size you up and figure out how to get what she needs. She's not the worst candidate ever, but she really does kinda come off cold.

Where Biden in this metaphor would be more like a dog, and already humping your leg. Ah, personal politics.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

That's an issue for me, as well. I get the sense that every line coming out of her mouth has been focus-grouped to death, and have no idea what she actually believes. I preferred the shoot-from-the-hip openly liberal HRC of the early 90s, who may have alienated some people, but obviously had strong personal and political beliefs.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I think one of my biggest issues with Hillary is that watching her speak, I feel like I'm watching a scripted actor, compared to Bernie Sanders who actually acts passionate about what he's talking about.

Passion isn't necessarily good. Practising a speech beforehand isn't necessarily bad.

True, but you can go too far the other way, and come across as insincere. Over-rehearsing is a thing.

[Grave_n_idle]

Passion isn't necessarily good. Practising a speech beforehand isn't necessarily bad.

True, but you can go too far the other way, and come across as insincere. Over-rehearsing is a thing.

I think maybe it's a matter of what I would like from a president. I don't want passion, I'd rather a cool head. I don't want quick wit, I want a considered reply. I don't want off-the-cuff, I want thought-out, polished and rehearsed.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

True, but you can go too far the other way, and come across as insincere. Over-rehearsing is a thing.

I think maybe it's a matter of what I would like from a president. I don't want passion, I'd rather a cool head. I don't want quick wit, I want a considered reply. I don't want off-the-cuff, I want thought-out, polished and rehearsed.

Except that if you go too far the other way, the person becomes divorced from the words, leading to a lack of sincerity. That's not leadership. For an example of what I'm talking about, look at Obama or Bill Clinton's best speeches. They've rehearsed what they've said, to be sure, but there's also a sense that they believe what they're saying with all of their hearts.

[Ashmoria]

True, but you can go too far the other way, and come across as insincere. Over-rehearsing is a thing.

I think maybe it's a matter of what I would like from a president. I don't want passion, I'd rather a cool head. I don't want quick wit, I want a considered reply. I don't want off-the-cuff, I want thought-out, polished and rehearsed.

and I want a track record backing up all their lofty policy talk.

that is why I am OK with Clinton as well as sanders. (not that im not OK with the other democratic candidates. we have an excellent bench)

[Actan]

True, but you can go too far the other way, and come across as insincere. Over-rehearsing is a thing.

I think maybe it's a matter of what I would like from a president. I don't want passion, I'd rather a cool head. I don't want quick wit, I want a considered reply. I don't want off-the-cuff, I want thought-out, polished and rehearsed.

That's not what it sounds like though. It sounds insincere, carefully worded, and mindlessly vague to maximize appeal but failing to do so.

Obama is honestly a pretty great speaker, in that he can give emotion while coming across as practiced and careful.

[Ashmoria]

I think maybe it's a matter of what I would like from a president. I don't want passion, I'd rather a cool head. I don't want quick wit, I want a considered reply. I don't want off-the-cuff, I want thought-out, polished and rehearsed.

That's not what it sounds like though. It sounds insincere, carefully worded, and mindlessly vague to maximize appeal but failing to do so.

Obama is honestly a pretty great speaker, in that he can give emotion while coming across as practiced and careful.

"show" is nice but its irrelevant. ideas and track record are what matter most.

[Actan]

That's not what it sounds like though. It sounds insincere, carefully worded, and mindlessly vague to maximize appeal but failing to do so.

Obama is honestly a pretty great speaker, in that he can give emotion while coming across as practiced and careful.

"show" is nice but its irrelevant. ideas and track record is what matters most.

Not to voters it doesn't, and I personally do not want a President incapable of rallying the public when needed.

Not to mention Ii am not particularly impressed by Hillary's ideas or track record.

[Ashmoria]

"show" is nice but its irrelevant. ideas and track record is what matters most.

Not to voters it doesn't, and I personally do not want a President incapable of rallying the public when needed.

Not to mention Ii am not particularly impressed by Hillary's ideas or track record.

are you suggesting that if she were a better speaker you would support her regardless of your opinion of her policies?

[Actan]

Not to voters it doesn't, and I personally do not want a President incapable of rallying the public when needed.

Not to mention Ii am not particularly impressed by Hillary's ideas or track record.

are you suggesting that if she were a better speaker you would support her regardless of your opinion of her policies?

Where did I say that? I am saying it is one of her many faults, and that she should be good at that as well as policies for me to support her.

[Ashmoria]

are you suggesting that if she were a better speaker you would support her regardless of your opinion of her policies?

Where did I say that? I am saying it is one of her many faults, and that she should be good at that as well as policies for me to support her.

I said "show" was irrelevant and you said its not. that implies that if she were a better speaker you would support her. that you find that notion outrageous kinda proves that you agree with me.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's not what it sounds like though. It sounds insincere, carefully worded, and mindlessly vague to maximize appeal but failing to do so.

Obama is honestly a pretty great speaker, in that he can give emotion while coming across as practiced and careful.

"show" is nice but its irrelevant. ideas and track record are what matter most.

Clinton arguably has the track record, but her ideas aren't particularly intriguing or inspiring. I prefer someone who thinks big, because we have big problems.

[Ashmoria]

"show" is nice but its irrelevant. ideas and track record are what matter most.

Clinton arguably has the track record, but her ideas aren't particularly intriguing or inspiring. I prefer someone who thinks big, because we have big problems.

which is legit. I prefer a person who might be able to strike a happy medium (like there is a happy medium any more).

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Where did I say that? I am saying it is one of her many faults, and that she should be good at that as well as policies for me to support her.

I said "show" was irrelevant and you said its not. that implies that if she were a better speaker you would support her. that you find that notion outrageous kinda proves that you agree with me.

"Show" is important to some degree. Voters have a history of not connecting with those who seem insincere, or who lack passion for their beliefs.

[Actan]

Where did I say that? I am saying it is one of her many faults, and that she should be good at that as well as policies for me to support her.

I said "show" was irrelevant and you said its not. that implies that if she were a better speaker you would support her. that you find that notion outrageous kinda proves that you agree with me.

No, I said it was important and not irrelevant, what I didn't say was it was all that mattered.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Bloomberg puts Sanders within 7 points of Clinton in Iowa.

[Actan]

Bloomberg puts Sanders within 7 points of Clinton in Iowa.

I hope Biden runs, that would drain a lot of Hillary support.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Bloomberg puts Sanders within 7 points of Clinton in Iowa.

I hope Biden runs, that would drain a lot of Hillary support.

It would also suck a lot of the media attention from Sanders, and he's had to fight for every second of airtime to date.

[Actan]

I hope Biden runs, that would drain a lot of Hillary support.

It would also suck a lot of the media attention from Sanders, and he's had to fight for every second of airtime to date.

It might, but since Biden is basically the less corrupt and more personable version of Hillary, I feel it would damage her more.

Sanders is also slowly gaining more media attention, since he is now actually appearing to be a serious candidate rather than the Ron Paul of the left.

[Ashmoria]

I hope Biden runs, that would drain a lot of Hillary support.

It would also suck a lot of the media attention from Sanders, and he's had to fight for every second of airtime to date.

yeah I think the narrative would immediately become Clinton vs biden. the media wants to be able to ignore sanders.

[Actan]

It would also suck a lot of the media attention from Sanders, and he's had to fight for every second of airtime to date.

yeah I think the narrative would immediately become Clinton vs biden. the media wants to be able to ignore sanders.

Not to mention Clinton automatically has 1/5th of the delegates since the "Democratic" party has a fairly undemocratic way of nominating candidates.

That said, she also had them when Obama won.