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Who Do You Support In The Democratic Primaries?

Hillary Clinton
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Bernie Sanders
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Total votes : 316

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Alouite wrote:
That's an understatement. To be extremely politically incorrect, Big Business is her Monica Lewinsky.

That's not true. Clinton supports regulations and closing tax loopholes.

Ultimately, only a much simpler tax code and the abolition of corporate welfare will end corporatism. I don't think Hillary can block such things as the Farm Bill, but I hope she makes modest reforms.

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:43 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Alouite wrote:Dont take things out of context. That was a desire, not a demand. I'd vote Sanders no matter who he picks as VP.

Sanders/Trump 2016

Kill me.

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Postby Alouite » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:00 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Alouite wrote:Dont take things out of context. That was a desire, not a demand. I'd vote Sanders no matter who he picks as VP.

Sanders/Trump 2016

Ffs. You knew what I meant.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:03 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sanders/Trump 2016

Kill me.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Alouite wrote:Dont take things out of context. That was a desire, not a demand. I'd vote Sanders no matter who he picks as VP.

Sanders/Trump 2016

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:36 pm

I'm definitely with Sanders on campaign finance, health care, and education. However, I've been skeptical for a few reasons.
1.) I consider myself a moderate liberal and I'd prefer a more centrist candidate.
2.) Not sure if his proposals could get passed.
3.) He's much more left-wing than the general electorate.
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Postby Knokkeheist » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:41 pm

I support Bernie Sanders.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:59 pm

Geilinor wrote:I'm definitely with Sanders on campaign finance, health care, and education. However, I've been skeptical for a few reasons.
1.) I consider myself a moderate liberal and I'd prefer a more centrist candidate.
2.) Not sure if his proposals could get passed.
3.) He's much more left-wing than the general electorate.


1. Understood, but it's often good to look beyond labels and at specific policies and proposals.
2. Not with this Congress, which means that we need a mass movement to get working people voting in their self-interest.
3. The things he's most to the left on are the things that you agree with him on: Campaign finance, health care, and education.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:33 am

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Postby Adab » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:38 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Alouite wrote:Dont take things out of context. That was a desire, not a demand. I'd vote Sanders no matter who he picks as VP.

Sanders/Trump 2016


If I were American and old enough to vote, I'd totally throw my support to them. :p
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:51 pm

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:54 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sanders/Trump 2016

Mexico will pay for our universal healthcare!

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:11 pm


I find it funny that Cuomo is polling higher than O'Malley.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:18 pm

I'm starting to lean towards Clinton over Sanders now. I'm not really sure if Sanders could win nationally and I'm also unsure about his flat out opposition to TTIP. I mean, yes, TTIP as it stand rights now isn't totally great, but we shouldn't just 'give up' and throw years of negotiations out the windows. There just needs to be more transparency and a more socially minded agreement. Than there is the question of his effectiveness in matters of foreign policy over say Clinton or Biden. I agree with a few of his tax code reforms, but I think some will limit the US' competitiveness against the BRIC nations. As an European, I want our neighbour across to be capable. I'd trust Biden to be the man for the job, but sadly he's not running. I don't really strongly lean towards any candidate right now, but I was happily cheer on whatever Democrat will lead the party into the 2016 elections.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:50 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:I'm starting to lean towards Clinton over Sanders now. I'm not really sure if Sanders could win nationally and I'm also unsure about his flat out opposition to TTIP. I mean, yes, TTIP as it stand rights now isn't totally great, but we shouldn't just 'give up' and throw years of negotiations out the windows. There just needs to be more transparency and a more socially minded agreement. Than there is the question of his effectiveness in matters of foreign policy over say Clinton or Biden. I agree with a few of his tax code reforms, but I think some will limit the US' competitiveness against the BRIC nations. As an European, I want our neighbour across to be capable. I'd trust Biden to be the man for the job, but sadly he's not running. I don't really strongly lean towards any candidate right now, but I was happily cheer on whatever Democrat will lead the party into the 2016 elections.


1. His policies are popular across the nation. A campaign that focuses on pragmatic solutions to immediate issues (which his does) is a winner when the GOP keeps offering up the same stale "Tax breaks for the wealthy/boots on the ground overseas" nonsense.

2. It's not like Sanders won't sign trade agreements. He just won't support ones that don't provide for American workers, or ones where their jobs are likely to be shipped overseas.

3. Which ones will limit the competitiveness?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:51 pm

Eol Sha wrote:

I find it funny that Cuomo is polling higher than O'Malley.


Screaming "The DNC is biased against me, and biased towards Hillary!", even if true, is not a winning campaign tactic. That's why Sanders has acknowledged it, but refuses to bang on that drum.

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Postby Idzequitch » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:01 pm


It's amazing how much change can occur in just a few months. I typically support candidates that are close to the center of the scale, (Speaking on the American scale) but I have to admit that there are many ways in which Sanders, as far left as he is, looks appealing.
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:15 pm


I have to admit, I'm surprised at well Sanders is doing. Not that I don't support him, but I was expecting him to be forgotten while famous Clinton won. Good work, sanders!

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:19 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:I'm starting to lean towards Clinton over Sanders now. I'm not really sure if Sanders could win nationally and I'm also unsure about his flat out opposition to TTIP. I mean, yes, TTIP as it stand rights now isn't totally great, but we shouldn't just 'give up' and throw years of negotiations out the windows. There just needs to be more transparency and a more socially minded agreement. Than there is the question of his effectiveness in matters of foreign policy over say Clinton or Biden. I agree with a few of his tax code reforms, but I think some will limit the US' competitiveness against the BRIC nations. As an European, I want our neighbour across to be capable. I'd trust Biden to be the man for the job, but sadly he's not running. I don't really strongly lean towards any candidate right now, but I was happily cheer on whatever Democrat will lead the party into the 2016 elections.


1. His policies are popular across the nation. A campaign that focuses on pragmatic solutions to immediate issues (which his does) is a winner when the GOP keeps offering up the same stale "Tax breaks for the wealthy/boots on the ground overseas" nonsense.

2. It's not like Sanders won't sign trade agreements. He just won't support ones that don't provide for American workers, or ones where their jobs are likely to be shipped overseas.

3. Which ones will limit the competitiveness?

I thought Sanders has strong and clear opposition to trade agreements in general? That type of detailed consideration sounds more like what Clinton has argued on the issue.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:22 pm


I wasn't alive during that time, but based off of what I've learned of history, Carter seems to be painting a nostalgic picture of partisan divisions. They weren't as strong as they are now, but they were still large.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
1. His policies are popular across the nation. A campaign that focuses on pragmatic solutions to immediate issues (which his does) is a winner when the GOP keeps offering up the same stale "Tax breaks for the wealthy/boots on the ground overseas" nonsense.

2. It's not like Sanders won't sign trade agreements. He just won't support ones that don't provide for American workers, or ones where their jobs are likely to be shipped overseas.

3. Which ones will limit the competitiveness?

I thought Sanders has strong and clear opposition to trade agreements in general? That type of detailed consideration sounds more like what Clinton has argued on the issue.

FeelTheBern offers Sanders' record on trade.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Ngelmish » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:23 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I find it funny that Cuomo is polling higher than O'Malley.


Screaming "The DNC is biased against me, and biased towards Hillary!", even if true, is not a winning campaign tactic. That's why Sanders has acknowledged it, but refuses to bang on that drum.


Perhaps O'Malley's tone could be a bit less strident on the subject, but at this point what else do you recommend he do? He's been issuing (good) white papers on almost every policy for a while and has been campaigning county to county, living room to living room. None of that is registering. Sanders is seen as either the only, or certainly the sexiest other candidate. The only thing O'Malley's gotten any traction with is pointing out, in a self-interested way of course, that the Democratic debate schedule is abysmal. Not necessarily the number of debates, but certainly their dates. If he's not going to make an issue out of that, what else is there? Just stop running?

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:37 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I thought Sanders has strong and clear opposition to trade agreements in general? That type of detailed consideration sounds more like what Clinton has argued on the issue.

FeelTheBern offers Sanders' record on trade.

At the end it notes:
Of course, it would be detrimental for us to close all doors to trade. Bernie believes that trade agreements can be successful, as he wrote in an op-ed for the Huffington Post in 2007:

“Nobody I know believes we should place a wall around this country. Trade is a good thing, but what we must begin doing is negotiating fair trade agreements that reflect the interests of working families in America, working families in other countries, and not just large multinational corporations and the CEOs who help write these trade agreements.”
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Ngelmish wrote:Perhaps O'Malley's tone could be a bit less strident on the subject, but at this point what else do you recommend he do? He's been issuing (good) white papers on almost every policy for a while and has been campaigning county to county, living room to living room. None of that is registering. Sanders is seen as either the only, or certainly the sexiest other candidate. The only thing O'Malley's gotten any traction with is pointing out, in a self-interested way of course, that the Democratic debate schedule is abysmal. Not necessarily the number of debates, but certainly their dates. If he's not going to make an issue out of that, what else is there? Just stop running?

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