Feminism in decline

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, but there's been a marked increase in self-proclaimed National Socialists, even. There actually have been a couple of Fascists here that knew what they were talking about. Nowadays, we've seen a massive influx of Tea Partiers whose information flows straight from Fox News and 15 year old Nazis who read half of Mein Kampf once and like SS uniforms. It's disappointing.

Meh, I think of them as a vocal minority. Go to any LGBT thread, race relations thread, marijuana thread, and you'll see that opinions are still largely liberal. I think that when people holding unorthodox opinions come here more frequently, we notice them more than the perceived "average NS'ers." This is similar with pollsters in America. I'll find the source, but Gallup found that Americans thought that 1/4 of the population was LGBT, when in actuality, the population of self described LGBT people is 5%.

I can't prove it because I have no idea where the post went, but this guy actually compiled a shitload of polls regarding age and political beliefs on here going back years, and it showed a steady age decline and increase in right-wingers. I know NSG is still firmly center-left, it's just that a bunch of old members have left in the past year or so and people born in the 2000's are starting to get on the internet and decide they like either Rand or Hitler because they're immature and silly.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This is good news. The people realise that feminism is a stupid ideology. Interestingly feminism is a first concept that the Frankfurt school created so it seems in future that will go for muslim right activism and their black counterparts.

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

[Aalmark]

Meh, I think of them as a vocal minority. Go to any LGBT thread, race relations thread, marijuana thread, and you'll see that opinions are still largely liberal. I think that when people holding unorthodox opinions come here more frequently, we notice them more than the perceived "average NS'ers." This is similar with pollsters in America. I'll find the source, but Gallup found that Americans thought that 1/4 of the population was LGBT, when in actuality, the population of self described LGBT people is 5%.

I can't prove it because I have no idea where the post went, but this guy actually compiled a shitload of polls regarding age and political beliefs on here going back years, and it showed a steady age decline and increase in right-wingers. I know NSG is still firmly center-left, it's just that a bunch of old members have left in the past year or so and people born in the 2000's are starting to get on the internet and decide they like either Rand or Hitler because they're immature and silly.

Othelos, I'm familiar. To be honest, I've seen maybe two, three people show support for Hitler. And they're hardly well known posters. It's nothing to worry about. So long as we don't turn into /pol/, and so long as nazis don't troll for the sake of being inflammatory, Imma keep posting here. I try to stay open to all political beliefs, but when someone rants about how the capitalist bourgeois is killing people, or how the kikes need the chamber, I laugh.

[Purger]

This is good news. The people realise that feminism is a stupid ideology. Interestingly feminism is a first concept that the Frankfurt school created so it seems in future that will go for muslim right activism and their black counterparts.

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

No, just that in future the number of muslim and black social rights fighter will decline just like is the case with feminism.

Recently I have read a first feminist literature in my life. Based on that I will never consider feminism as something serious again.

[Aalmark]

This is good news. The people realise that feminism is a stupid ideology. Interestingly feminism is a first concept that the Frankfurt school created so it seems in future that will go for muslim right activism and their black counterparts.

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

They have the right to polish my shoes.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

No, just that in future the number of muslim and black social rights fighter will decline just like is the case with feminism.

Recently I have read a first feminist literature in my life. Based on that I will never consider feminism as something serious again.

Hopefully that will only happen when they have equal rights.

And what literature was that, exactly?

[Llamalandia]

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

They have the right to polish my shoes.

Is that a right or a privilege?

But seriously, wtf?

[Aalmark]

They have the right to polish my shoes.

Is that a right or a privilege?

But seriously, wtf?

It's called dark humor, more specifically, sarcasm.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Othelos, I'm familiar. To be honest, I've seen maybe two, three people show support for Hitler. And they're hardly well known posters. It's nothing to worry about. So long as we don't turn into /pol/, and so long as nazis don't troll for the sake of being inflammatory, Imma keep posting here. I try to stay open to all political beliefs, but when someone rants about how the capitalist bourgeois is killing people, or how the kikes need the chamber, I laugh.

Three Nazis is three too many Nazis. And of course they aren't, they'll either leave or get DEATed within a year.

I doubt we'll ever turn into /pol/, but this steady change in demographics has got me worried. Simply because it's a unique culture we have here, and I'd hate to see it change.

Though I'm sure this NS is vastly different to the one existent back in Antiquity.

[Imperializt Russia]

Did you just say blacks and Muslims don't deserve equal rights?

No, just that in future the number of muslim and black social rights fighter will decline just like is the case with feminism.

Recently I have read a first feminist literature in my life. Based on that I will never consider feminism as something serious again.

This is like saying psychology is crap because you read one book by Freud.

Or that particle physics is wrong because you picked up a book from 1945.

[Llamalandia]

Is that a right or a privilege?

But seriously, wtf?

It's called dark humor, more specifically, sarcasm.

ah fair enough, doesn't always come through in text form for me.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Oh, I know there are some very vocal feminists that are doing more harm than good to the movement as a whole. Unfortunately, I am not sure how to make them shut up or grow a brain.

This is why I think it is a lost cause. The only hope is a new movement that is explicitly gender neutral and doesn't have the entrenched dogmas of feminism. A new wave of feminism could feasibly also manage it, provided they jettisoned all the gynocentrism.

I wouldn't mind a new wave of feminism. The basic idea of feminism is good, but some people just need to rethink how they approach it.

[Llamalandia]

No, just that in future the number of muslim and black social rights fighter will decline just like is the case with feminism.

Recently I have read a first feminist literature in my life. Based on that I will never consider feminism as something serious again.

This is like saying psychology is crap because you read one book by Freud.

Or that particle physics is wrong because you picked up a book from 1945.

Meh, there are still some freudian psychonalysis fan out there. But yeah, I agree read a couple more pieces of literature before denouncing feminism. I mean, you will find the same thing it is mostly all ridiculous literature these days.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This is like saying psychology is crap because you read one book by Freud.

Or that particle physics is wrong because you picked up a book from 1945.

Meh, there are still some freudian psychonalysis fan out there. But yeah, I agree read a couple more pieces of literature before denouncing feminism. I mean, you will find the same thing it is mostly all ridiculous literature these days.

Source.

[Llamalandia]

This is why I think it is a lost cause. The only hope is a new movement that is explicitly gender neutral and doesn't have the entrenched dogmas of feminism. A new wave of feminism could feasibly also manage it, provided they jettisoned all the gynocentrism.

I wouldn't mind a new wave of feminism. The basic idea of feminism is good, but some people just need to rethink how they approach it.

Is it really even all that necessary though? I mean, feminism has more or less finished. Sure there are a few more milestones, getting closer to parity in terms of political represnetation having a female president. Abortion rights, kinda, though even some feminists are divided on that issue.

[Purger]

Hopefully that will only happen when they have equal rights.

And what literature was that, exactly?

They already have equal rights. It is just that it is a virtue to be considered opressed in western societies.

The book is called Justice and the politics of differences of the author Iris Marion Young. Since she was an university professor one could expect that her books would be worth of reading. But unfortunately I got disapointed. The whole book is basically about cultural imperialism and how the dominant (white and male) class is transcending on other people but without intentions.

Considering that she critiques the liberal institutions for not being neutral.

[Zakuvia]

Some people get up in arms about feminism, but I don't for my own reasons. I see it as a natural blowback from...well a recorded histories worth of inequality. You can't be placed on an officially even pedastal after all of that and NOT expect that some form of retribution will be expected. Feminism should have been (and possibly was) expected. But it, too, will pass as people determine that trying to exalt one gender over another, for whatever reason, isn't fair and, ergo, isn't right. It will die down and people will move on. So in the interim, by all means enjoy it! Don't burn down mancaves and Hooters restaurants, but be empowered, nonetheless.

Cheers.

[Diopolis]

Othelos, I'm familiar. To be honest, I've seen maybe two, three people show support for Hitler. And they're hardly well known posters. It's nothing to worry about. So long as we don't turn into /pol/, and so long as nazis don't troll for the sake of being inflammatory, Imma keep posting here. I try to stay open to all political beliefs, but when someone rants about how the capitalist bourgeois is killing people, or how the kikes need the chamber, I laugh.

Three Nazis is three too many Nazis. And of course they aren't, they'll either leave or get DEATed within a year.

I doubt we'll ever turn into /pol/, but this steady change in demographics has got me worried. Simply because it's a unique culture we have here, and I'd hate to see it change.

Though I'm sure this NS is vastly different to the one existent back in Antiquity.

I've seen it change from the "anyone who isn't center-left or a socialist is laughed at and sometimes openly hated" environment to a much less monolithic one. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, and I think we're probably much more diverse than the average internet community. And our far-right is different than straight up TEA partyism, probably because of that diversity- the TEA partiers end up becoming traditionalists or libertarians(OK, capitalist minarchiststs) within the year, assuming they don't get DEATed.

[Llamalandia]

Meh, there are still some freudian psychonalysis fan out there. But yeah, I agree read a couple more pieces of literature before denouncing feminism. I mean, you will find the same thing it is mostly all ridiculous literature these days.

Source.

Psychologists and psychology professors I have spoken with.

But don't take my word for it; after all this is cnn.

Psychoanalysis as a therapy became somewhat marginalized decades ago as biological and behavioral approaches gained recognition, but plenty of mental health professionals still practice some variation of it, and Freud's ideas are crucial in a wide spectrum of therapies today. The American Psychoanalytic Association, a professional organization with more than 3,000 members, will have its 99th annual meeting this week. It will include discussions of applying Freud's ideas in a modern context.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/freud.psychology.psychoanalysis/

If you want me to source the statement about feminist literature, well that's an opinion. I could cite various authors but you would likely just disagree about whether or not what they have to say is ridiculoous. THat said, when I refer to feminism it should be noted, I mean only first world feminism. There is still plenty of shit to fight globally.

[Grave_n_idle]

I think it's telling that there is a feminist reddit called against mens rights.

I don't. For all I know, you created that group yourself to discredit someone.

Reddit is not a source.

Further, the MRM is mostly present in reddit and some ancillary publications, but in terms of getting a good cross section of the movement, going to reddit is where you should do it.

No, it isn't. If the only evidence you have about something is handful of anonymous people on a reddit thread, you have absolutely nothing.

I think that it's telling that, in areas where feminists CAN contact average MRAs, they are overbearingly hostile, and consistently lie about them.

Which is weird, because I see the exact opposite from the MRA-affiliates on this forum.

And no, I rely on the assumption that anyone interested will click through the links.

I can't imagine you'd post crap like a reddit thread as a source if you thought anyone would even look at it.

[The New Sea Territory]

This is not that the ideals of feminism are in decline, but that the word itself is being tarnished. Like the word "liberal" in the US. Even though the vast majority of the US agrees with liberal policies, the word "liberal" has a negative connotation, so they ignorantly support conservatives.

This is basically showcasing American ignorance, nothing more.

[Kumuri]

I think it's telling that there is a feminist reddit called against mens rights.

I don't. For all I know, you created that group yourself to discredit someone.

Reddit is not a source.

Further, the MRM is mostly present in reddit and some ancillary publications, but in terms of getting a good cross section of the movement, going to reddit is where you should do it.

No, it isn't. If the only evidence you have about something is handful of anonymous people on a reddit thread, you have absolutely nothing.

I think that it's telling that, in areas where feminists CAN contact average MRAs, they are overbearingly hostile, and consistently lie about them.

Which is weird, because I see the exact opposite from the MRA-affiliates on this forum.

And no, I rely on the assumption that anyone interested will click through the links.

I can't imagine you'd post crap like a reddit thread as a source if you thought anyone would even look at it.

Shit Reddit Says is a marvelous subreddit, by the way.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is not that the ideals of feminism are in decline, but that the word itself is being tarnished. Like the word "liberal" in the US. Even though the vast majority of the US agrees with liberal policies, the word "liberal" has a negative connotation, so they ignorantly support conservatives.

This is basically showcasing American ignorance, nothing more.

It's like the amount of self-identified Republicans post-Bush. All of a sudden, there were a whole lot of 'independents' who were Tea Party voters, libertarians who didn't agree with the libertarian platform(s) and un-affiliated voters who just happened to have voted for the GOP every couple of years for half a century.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I wouldn't mind a new wave of feminism. The basic idea of feminism is good, but some people just need to rethink how they approach it.

Is it really even all that necessary though? I mean, feminism has more or less finished. Sure there are a few more milestones, getting closer to parity in terms of political represnetation having a female president. Abortion rights, kinda, though even some feminists are divided on that issue.

It would be useful -- not just for further advancement, but also to defend what has already been gained.

[Purger]

This is like saying psychology is crap because you read one book by Freud.

Or that particle physics is wrong because you picked up a book from 1945.

That will be true if Freud`s theories were not considered false by pschology. That part of science abandomed Freud long time ago and considerem him only as pioneer whoose works are only interesting to read. Psychoanalisis is not the main stream in psychology for more than 50 years and it is replaced by behaviouralism.

On other hand the book that I mention indeed reflects the modern day position of feminism. They seems to believe that society is dominated by some patrichy without knowing it. Indeed there even here a poster that helds thoose views.