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Hitler's Love for Islam: Dreams of a German Caliphate

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Hitler's Love for Islam: Dreams of a German Caliphate

Postby Neo Telangana » Fri May 29, 2015 3:30 pm

Adolf Hitler was an admirer of Islam. He viewed it as an aggressive, militaristic, and disciplinarian religion that was much better suited for the Germanic peoples than Christianity, which Hitler dismissed as an effeminate, weak, meek, and "flabby" religion. Hitler believed that the Arabs, due to their inherent racial inferiority, would cease to be the standard-bearers of Islam if they had conquered Western and Central Europe. Instead, Hitler believed, it would be the Islamized Germans who would become the leaders of the Islamic Caliphate (similar to the case of the Turks in our real-life timeline), and these Islamized Germans would then go on to conquer the world, spurred on by their fascistic ideology.

From pg.96 of Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer, who personally knew Hitler:

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Postby Gyrenaica » Fri May 29, 2015 3:32 pm

What. The. Hell.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri May 29, 2015 3:32 pm

He is comparing it to Christianity, not actually claiming that he would want an "Islamofascist" Reich.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri May 29, 2015 3:33 pm

i knew hitler loved how savage he thought they were but if this is real it seems like a field day

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri May 29, 2015 3:33 pm

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Postby McNernia » Fri May 29, 2015 3:34 pm

Show this to a bunch of White Nationalists/Supremacists.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Fri May 29, 2015 3:35 pm

Does it matter who Hitler admired?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 29, 2015 3:37 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Does it matter who Hitler admired?


I was kinda wondering the same thing. I mean why care why Hitler had a mustache.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri May 29, 2015 3:37 pm

Mcnernia wrote:Show this to a bunch of White Nationalists/Supremacists.


Most White Nationalists and Supremacists that actually apply their nationalism to religion are Pagan, so...yeah, this wouldn't be as big a shock as many think.
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Postby Floydian Britain » Fri May 29, 2015 3:37 pm

Wow.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Fri May 29, 2015 3:39 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Does it matter who Hitler admired?

No, just whom he admires :p
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Postby Atelia » Fri May 29, 2015 3:39 pm

Exactly how I feel about Islam.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 29, 2015 3:41 pm

His admiration for Islam came out of a somewhat Islamophobic picture of them as being militant extremists.
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Postby Calimera II » Fri May 29, 2015 3:43 pm

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Fri May 29, 2015 3:44 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Does it matter who Hitler admired?

No, just whom he admires :p


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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri May 29, 2015 3:45 pm

Deian salazar wrote:I thought he prosecuted Muslims. :blink:
Wow.....


Where did you get that from? He maintained a close relationship with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

He also tried hard to recruit Bosnian muslims into his army. Many did. Less than he had hoped for, but still.
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Postby Draakonite » Fri May 29, 2015 3:49 pm

Calimera II wrote:


Do you know who else didn't want a german caliphate?
Hitler!
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Postby The Carolines » Fri May 29, 2015 3:50 pm

This is more of a critique of Christianity than an acceptance of Islam.

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Postby The Carolines » Fri May 29, 2015 3:51 pm

Mcnernia wrote:Show this to a bunch of White Nationalists/Supremacists.


I believe that this would be a lot more embarrassing to Muslim extremists than to neo-Nazis. Hitler basically admits that Islam is a religion of violent conquest.

Indeed, they do have a lot in common.
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Postby Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity » Fri May 29, 2015 3:51 pm

So? It doesn't matter now doesn't it. I hate to use the argument of saying "The people are dead, get over it" to stop learning history, but in this case it's actually quite applicable.
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Postby Calimera II » Fri May 29, 2015 3:51 pm

The Carolines wrote:This is more of a critique of Christianity than an acceptance of Islam.

Indeed, Adolf was critical of Christianity, but didn't want to have the church 'on the other side.'

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri May 29, 2015 3:52 pm

The Carolines wrote:This is more of a critique of Christianity than an acceptance of Islam.


I have to agree. He focusses more on how ''meek'' Christianity is than on any actual alternatives. Especially mentioning Japan's Shinto traditions.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri May 29, 2015 3:53 pm

Hitler loved islam? Holy shit, we should totally ban the fuck out of it.

Like we should ban the fuck out of vegetarianism and dogs.

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Postby Neo Telangana » Fri May 29, 2015 3:54 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:He is comparing it to Christianity, not actually claiming that he would want an "Islamofascist" Reich.


Of course, it would be impossible for the actual Third Reich to become "Islamofascist", since the vast majority of Germans identified as Christians and were not likely to become Muslim.

What Hitler is saying is that had the Muslims conquered Europe and spread Islam to the Germans, the Germans would have been better off than with Christianity. He explicitly says that Islam is more compatible with the Germanic people than Christianity, and that converting to Islam would have enabled the Germans to rule the Islamic Caliphate (since Hitler regarded Arabs and other Muslims to be less "vigorous" and biologically inferior to the Germans).
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Postby Neo Telangana » Fri May 29, 2015 3:55 pm

Neo Telangana wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:He is comparing it to Christianity, not actually claiming that he would want an "Islamofascist" Reich.


Of course, it would be impossible for the actual Third Reich to become "Islamofascist", since the vast majority of Germans identified as Christians and were not likely to become Muslim.

What Hitler is saying is that had the Muslims conquered Europe and spread Islam to the Germans, the Germans would have been better off than with Christianity. He explicitly says that Islam is more compatible with the Germanic people than Christianity, and that converting to Islam would have enabled the Germans to rule the vast lands of the Islamic Caliphate (since Hitler regarded Arabs and other Muslims to be less "vigorous" and biologically inferior to the Germans).
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