The history of Nazi symbolism discussion

[Monzarista]

Ok so we all know the infamous Nazi Swastika

Now just a brief history on the symbol:

It was adapted by Adolf Hitler after coming across the Buddhist swastika. He later presented this symbol to the NSDAP, the party approved of it. He represented it as a symbol of peace, and to symbolize the "S" for Socialism, if you can notice that in the symbol.

Now, here lies the question.

If Adolf Hitler ended up despising the idea of Socialism within the Nazi Party, why was Socialism a part of the official name of the party if Adolf Hitler disapproved of this?

This whole situation later involved the event known as the "Night of the Long Knives" and the execution of Gregor Strasser.

*Ahead of time, I apologize for any misinformed information I may have forgot to include*

Heil Strasser!

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Because you can't just completely change the name it's been known by for years because you quit liking it. It had been popularized and identified as National Socialism and Germany was proclaimedly a National Socialist state. It isn't as if Hitler was the sole authority on party doctrine either. Goebbels, for instance, remained firmly anti-capitalist even after others forsook Nazism's roots, now known as Strasserism.

[Monzarista]

Because you can't just completely change the name it's been known by for years because you quit liking it. It had been popularized and identified as National Socialism and Germany was proclaimedly a National Socialist state. It isn't as if Hitler was the sole authority on party doctrine either. Goebbels, for instance, remained firmly anti-capitalist even after others forsook Nazism's roots, now known as Strasserism.

That does make sense. Thank you. And yes, I am very well aware of Strasserism as I myself am a Strasserist

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Because you can't just completely change the name it's been known by for years because you quit liking it. It had been popularized and identified as National Socialism and Germany was proclaimedly a National Socialist state. It isn't as if Hitler was the sole authority on party doctrine either. Goebbels, for instance, remained firmly anti-capitalist even after others forsook Nazism's roots, now known as Strasserism.

That does make sense. Thank you. And yes, I am very well aware of Strasserism as I myself am a Strasserist

Congratulations on your admitted antisemitism.

[The Forsworn Knights]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

[United Marxist Nations]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

Yes you are; you just can't put it as your flag.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

Yes, you are. They just can't be in your flag. They're completely kosher everywhere else.

[The Forsworn Knights]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

Yes you are; you just can't put it as your flag.

Ah, I must have misread that rule.

[Empire of Narnia]

What was Strasser's thing? Was he racist and antisemitic like Hitler?

[Monzarista]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

Yes you are; you just can't put it as your flag.

That is also incorrect. If it is on a banner, it would be removed and or have your nation deleted. I know because that happened to me (Pyrranaya)

[Prussia-Steinbach]

What was Strasser's thing? Was he racist and antisemitic like Hitler?

Strasserism is the original Nazism. It is the original, socialist, nationalist, antisemitic, anticapitalist ideology. Hitler was not even one of the original Nazis, he latched onto the already-existent movement - then bastardized it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

[United Marxist Nations]

Yes you are; you just can't put it as your flag.

That is also incorrect. If it is on a banner, it would be removed and or have your nation deleted. I know because that happened to me (Pyrranaya)

Banner is about the same thing as flag.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This thread will inevitably end in a sea of bans and redtext.

Spoiler that shit.

[Monzarista]

What was Strasser's thing? Was he racist and antisemitic like Hitler?

Traditional Nationalism with Socialism

[Prussia-Steinbach]

What was Strasser's thing? Was he racist and antisemitic like Hitler?

Traditional Nationalism with Socialism

The correct answer is yes, he hated Jews and blamed them for the Germanic race's woes, as do all National Socialists.

[Occupied Deutschland]

What was Strasser's thing? Was he racist and antisemitic like Hitler?

Think Hitler only with more emphasis on socialism and class struggle.
Alternatively, think Stalin with a hate-boner for Jews. Strasserism gets into that middle ground where there's the shittiest parts of both ideologies marching in lockstep.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

OP, you seem to change topics - if this is more about ideology than the symbol itself, you may want to adjust your opening post and title. If it is about the symbol, perhaps more about its varied history, its origins, and where they took it from might be in order. Just something to think about. The start of this has a question, yes but it isn't a very organized presentation. If there's more you want to focus on, you've time to do so.

(And yes, you can post the swastika on the forums - it's only for flags that there's an issue. Flags can't be argued against. Posts can.)

[Gawdzendia]

... You do know you arent allowed to post swastikas on NS right?

Yes, you are. They just can't be in your flag. They're completely kosher everywhere else.

I see what you did there.
I'm still against the carpet ban on symbology that triggers minorities. Swastikas included.

Now onto my favorite tidbit of Nazi symbology;



I've always enjoyed the SS emblem from an aesthetic point of view, I also like that the dual Sig runes can both stand for SchutzStaffel as well as have the double meaning of 'Victory! Victory!'

Oh, also, Nazis are bad mkay.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I see what you did there.

Glad you caught that, it was actually on purpose.

I'm still against the carpet ban on symbology that triggers minorities. Swastikas included.

Like NERV said: Posts can be argued against. Flags can't.

Now onto my favorite tidbit of Nazi symbology;

(Image)

I've always enjoyed the SS emblem from an aesthetic point of view, I also like that the dual Sig runes can both stand for SchutzStaffel as well as have the double meaning of 'Victory! Victory!'

Oh, also, Nazis are bad mkay.

I was always partial to the Sonnenrand, myself. Shame some people actually know the Nazis used it a bit.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'm still against the carpet ban on symbology that triggers minorities. Swastikas included.

It isn't about 'triggering'. It is about promoting 'malicious content'. See here, thanks.

[Gawdzendia]

I'm still against the carpet ban on symbology that triggers minorities. Swastikas included.

It isn't about 'triggering'. It is about promoting 'malicious content'. See here, thanks.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. I've no interest in arguing with those that have decided the moral landscape of the forum and the power to enforce it.

I was always partial to the Sonnenrand, myself. Shame some people actually know the Nazis used it a bit.

Had to do a bit of digging to find it, because you spelt out the German word for Sunburn. Turns out that last 'n' makes a world of difference.
I knew the symbol first as the 'Black Sun' (Schwarze Sonne), but knowing it had two names is neat. Time for some offhand reading whilst at work.

[Souseiseki]

Ok so we all know the infamous Nazi Swastika(Image)

Now just a brief history on the symbol:

It was adapted by Adolf Hitler after coming across the Buddhist swastika. He later presented this symbol to the NSDAP, the party approved of it. He represented it as a symbol of peace, and to symbolize the "S" for Socialism, if you can notice that in the symbol.

Now, here lies the question.

If Adolf Hitler ended up despising the idea of Socialism within the Nazi Party, why was Socialism a part of the official name of the party if Adolf Hitler disapproved of this?

This whole situation later involved the event known as the "Night of the Long Knives" and the execution of Gregor Strasser.

*Ahead of time, I apologize for any misinformed information I may have forgot to include*

Heil Strasser!

because it was changed to win votes and he couldn't be arsed changing it even after murdering and suppressing the leftist elements of the party as you just said

turns out hitler did a lot of shit that seems contradictory and makes no sense

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It isn't about 'triggering'. It is about promoting 'malicious content'. See here, thanks.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. I've no interest in arguing with those that have decided the moral landscape of the forum and the power to enforce it.

I was always partial to the Sonnenrand, myself. Shame some people actually know the Nazis used it a bit.

Had to do a bit of digging to find it, because you spelt out the German word for Sunburn. Turns out that last 'n' makes a world of difference.
I knew the symbol first as the 'Black Sun' (Schwarze Sonne), but knowing it had two names is neat. Time for some offhand reading whilst at work.

Ah fuck, you're right. Sonnenrad. I never claimed to be an expert on the language.

And yeah, I prefer sun wheel to black sun because the sun wheel is another symbol that almost every ancient culture had some form of, like the swastika.

[Gawdzendia]

Ok so we all know the infamous Nazi Swastika(Image)

Now just a brief history on the symbol:

It was adapted by Adolf Hitler after coming across the Buddhist swastika. He later presented this symbol to the NSDAP, the party approved of it. He represented it as a symbol of peace, and to symbolize the "S" for Socialism, if you can notice that in the symbol.

Now, here lies the question.

If Adolf Hitler ended up despising the idea of Socialism within the Nazi Party, why was Socialism a part of the official name of the party if Adolf Hitler disapproved of this?

This whole situation later involved the event known as the "Night of the Long Knives" and the execution of Gregor Strasser.

*Ahead of time, I apologize for any misinformed information I may have forgot to include*

Heil Strasser!

because it was changed to win votes and he couldn't be arsed changing it even after murdering and suppressing the leftist elements of the party as you just said

turns out hitler did a lot of shit that seems contradictory and makes no sense

"Let's not invade Switzerland, it will be too difficult."
"Hey guys, lets invade the Soviet Union!"
"Fuhrer plis."

[United Marxist Nations]

because it was changed to win votes and he couldn't be arsed changing it even after murdering and suppressing the leftist elements of the party as you just said

turns out hitler did a lot of shit that seems contradictory and makes no sense

"Let's not invade Switzerland, it will be too difficult."
"Hey guys, lets invade the Soviet Union!"
"Fuhrer plis."

Well, the invasion of the Soviet Union was sort of the primary goal of Nazi ideology (besides invading Poland).