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Is there too many immigrants in Europe?

Postby NicolaSturgeon » Thu May 28, 2015 11:16 am

With the upcoming EU Referendum in 2017, Immigration is one of the main points in the debate. In Britain alone, 30% of the population are ethnic minorities, mostly from the Carribean, China, India or Pakistan. Keep in mind if you're reading this I'm not a racist or anti-foreigner.

I think there is far too many immigrants. I live in a small town with little over 45,000 people in it, and at least 10,000 are foreigners who weren't born in this country or UK as a whole. I don't have a problem with them as people, and most of them do yes help the country, but when it comes to national identity I do think they're a threat.

If you live in Europe or a country with a large immigrant population, do you think they're problematic? Do you live in a country where people emigrate to Europe a lot, do you think it's a problem?
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Postby Mister B » Thu May 28, 2015 11:20 am

NicolaSturgeon wrote:I think there is far too many immigrants. I live in a small town with little over 45,000 people in it, and at least 10,000 are foreigners who weren't born in this country or UK as a whole.


I sincerely doubt that.

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Postby NicolaSturgeon » Thu May 28, 2015 11:41 am

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NicolaSturgeon wrote:I think there is far too many immigrants. I live in a small town with little over 45,000 people in it, and at least 10,000 are foreigners who weren't born in this country or UK as a whole.


I sincerely doubt that.

We're at a riverhead and an old port, most Irish immigrants came here or the few towns south of us, and a lot or Italians and German POWs transported to Britain came around my town, as well as a lot f Indians and Pakistanis.
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Postby Alcase » Thu May 28, 2015 11:43 am

NicolaSturgeon wrote:With the upcoming EU Referendum in 2017, Immigration is one of the main points in the debate. In Britain alone, 30% of the population are ethnic minorities, mostly from the Carribean, China, India or Pakistan. Keep in mind if you're reading this I'm not a racist or anti-foreigner.

I think there is far too many immigrants. I live in a small town with little over 45,000 people in it, and at least 10,000 are foreigners who weren't born in this country or UK as a whole. I don't have a problem with them as people, and most of them do yes help the country, but when it comes to national identity I do think they're a threat.

If you live in Europe or a country with a large immigrant population, do you think they're problematic? Do you live in a country where people emigrate to Europe a lot, do you think it's a problem?

You've managed to contradict yourself within two short paragraphs, when you could have just summed it up in one sentence; I don't like foreigners but they're cool people.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 28, 2015 11:43 am

With the upcoming EU Referendum in 2017, Immigration is one of the main points in the debate. In Britain alone, 30% of the population are ethnic minorities

But only 10% of the population is foreign born. Fancy that.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 11:46 am

Maybe if you'd spent less time worrying about this question, you could have been more certain of your command of English grammar.
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Postby Cinnabarra » Thu May 28, 2015 11:47 am

As long as they learn the language and adapt I'm all open to them.Not learning a country's cutlure and language while immgrating there is disrespect.
I'm pro-immigration if the two things above are fulfilled.

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Postby Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 11:48 am

Yes. And it depends what Europe is going to do with immigration from Mediterranean and African countries because there are millions of people waiting on the other side of Mediterranean sea and more are gathering + there are huge amount of refugees in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan who are trying to get into Europe as well.

This might actually be end of European Union if EU fails to deal with this issue.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 11:50 am

Teemant wrote:there are huge amount of refugees in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan who are trying to get into Europe as well.

Gee, I wonder why.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu May 28, 2015 11:51 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Teemant wrote:there are huge amount of refugees in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan who are trying to get into Europe as well.

Gee, I wonder why.

''It would be extremely responsible to let them in.''

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Postby Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 11:53 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Teemant wrote:there are huge amount of refugees in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan who are trying to get into Europe as well.

Gee, I wonder why.


Europe can not take any more immigrants. There is not enough housing, benefits and social workers to take care of immigrants who are now as we speak already in Europe but there seems to be no end to migrants coming with boat and by land. Migration limit has been reached some time ago and current migration makes things only worse.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 11:55 am

Teemant wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Gee, I wonder why.


Europe can not take any more immigrants. There is not enough housing, benefits and social workers to take care of immigrants who are now as we speak already in Europe but there seems to be no end to migrants coming with boat and by land. Migration limit has been reached some time ago and current migration makes things only worse.

You're not big on this whole "treat the cause" thing, are you?
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Postby Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 11:57 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Teemant wrote:
Europe can not take any more immigrants. There is not enough housing, benefits and social workers to take care of immigrants who are now as we speak already in Europe but there seems to be no end to migrants coming with boat and by land. Migration limit has been reached some time ago and current migration makes things only worse.

You're not big on this whole "treat the cause" thing, are you?


What do you mean? Do you mean fixing the problem that causes so many immigration?

But I mention that there are a lot of people from Nigeria and Eritrea as well waiting in Libya and Northern Africa to get into Europe. And I don't see how Europe can fix problems in these countries and I don't think Europe should either. Too far away.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 11:58 am

Europe is indirectly responsible, on a very long timescale, for problems in both Africa and the Middle East.
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Postby Baltischen Union » Thu May 28, 2015 12:01 pm

I live in Latvia and we have a immigrant problem as well...Russians...
They came here in 1970 from the Soviet Union, they are not intelligent, don't speak Latvian (ever), and they are brainwashed by Communist and Russian propaganda.

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Postby Calimera II » Thu May 28, 2015 12:01 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Europe is indirectly responsible, on a very long timescale, for problems in both Africa and the Middle East.


Europe will create more problems if it lets all those people in.

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Postby Mister B » Thu May 28, 2015 12:02 pm

Teemant wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Gee, I wonder why.


Europe can not take any more immigrants. There is not enough housing, benefits and social workers to take care of immigrants who are now as we speak already in Europe but there seems to be no end to migrants coming with boat and by land. Migration limit has been reached some time ago and current migration makes things only worse.


I forgot that immigrants don't work and pay taxes to support government housing, benefits and social workers.

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Postby Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:03 pm

Mister B wrote:
Teemant wrote:
Europe can not take any more immigrants. There is not enough housing, benefits and social workers to take care of immigrants who are now as we speak already in Europe but there seems to be no end to migrants coming with boat and by land. Migration limit has been reached some time ago and current migration makes things only worse.


I forgot that immigrants don't work and pay taxes to support government housing, benefits and social workers.


Legal immigrants and illegal immigrants are two different. All legal immigrants tend to work because otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu May 28, 2015 12:04 pm

Yes all those Indo-Europeans should go back to Asia and leave Europe for the Basques

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu May 28, 2015 12:05 pm

NicolaSturgeon wrote:With the upcoming EU Referendum in 2017, Immigration is one of the main points in the debate.


Well, that much, at least, might be true.

European politics has become more xenophobic since the economy turned down, starting in about 2004.

That's not news.

No, there aren't 'too many immigrants'. There's just a lot of racism and xenophobia. And you won't cure that by attacking the minorities. You have to educated the increasingly xenophobic population.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 12:05 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Europe is indirectly responsible, on a very long timescale, for problems in both Africa and the Middle East.


Europe will create more problems if it lets all those people in.

Which wouldn't be solving the cause of the problem that is there is a humanitarian crisis(es) in Africa and the Middle East, resulting from the long, long-term fallout of European colonialism and more recently the fallout of Cold War tensions - that is pushing people out of their countries and into destitute camps. And from there, they rightly think this is no life for them and wish to move to Europe.

Syria, as a country, is practically ruined. Destroyed. The image of lights at night taken from space is pretty telling to that. What of the millions of displaced Syrians? "Sucks to be you"?
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Postby Teemant » Thu May 28, 2015 12:06 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Europe is indirectly responsible, on a very long timescale, for problems in both Africa and the Middle East.


Things don't seem to improve one bit in Africa and it isn't Europe's fault anymore.
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Postby Lydenburg » Thu May 28, 2015 12:07 pm

It's frustratingly difficult for a person of few means and/or technical work experience to emigrate to Western Europe. And costly. I've looked into it.

If these people have legally settled in their new country and are making ends meet, I say hats off to them.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 28, 2015 12:07 pm

Teemant wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Europe is indirectly responsible, on a very long timescale, for problems in both Africa and the Middle East.


Things don't seem to improve one bit in Africa and it isn't Europe's fault anymore.

It's difficult to improve when you leave a pre-industrial backwater with a power vacuum.
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Postby Mister B » Thu May 28, 2015 12:08 pm

Teemant wrote:
Mister B wrote:
I forgot that immigrants don't work and pay taxes to support government housing, benefits and social workers.


Legal immigrants and illegal immigrants are two different. All legal immigrants tend to work because otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay.


Illegal immigrants tend to work and not claim benefits because approaching the government of a country you are illegal living in is a very good way to get deported.

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