FIFA arrests (now with improved Blatter/Platini bans!)

[Kelinfort]

how do you even bribe a prince

Let's just say, money's not all you can bribe people with.

[Ontorisa]

how do you even bribe a prince

Let's just say, money's not all you can bribe people with.

"I'll leak to the public that your wife was showing a bit too much ankle"

[Charlotte Ryberg]

how do you even bribe a prince

Let's just say, money's not all you can bribe people with.

I understand that gifts and favours have also played a role in influencing views. It's not necessarily a problem if it is part of a long-standing culture or mutual exchange, with a reason, but when it happens suddenly then something is, um, fishy.

[Shofercia]

Read between the lines: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/28/footb ... ck-blazer/



Hmm, handcuffs or being an informant, I'd call that pressure, wouldn't you?

That's generally how people turn into informants, Shof.

Right. My point is that he was pressured to turn into an informant by the IRS, which is a US agency. I'm not saying it's bad, (unless you're a NASL fan,) I'm just saying that Blazer became an informant as a result of IRS pressure.

Switzerland is looking into 2018 Russian bid. The article you mentioned also says that this is separate investigation.

Arrest were made now because all the key people were in the same place. No one could hide.

Blatter still runs against Jordanian so whats your problem here?

No I don't speak behalf of world but I certainly don't like corruption and ability to buy tournaments if this is the case.

Re Switzerland - who gave them the initial information? Was in Blazer the informant? Just for the record, I think Blazer's an idiot; how the fuck do you not pay taxes on $11 million? "Sorry cuz, I left $11 mil in the closet and then forgot about it?" I fully support any and all financial IRS penalties against Blazer, up to the sum of $11 million. Deliberately don't pay taxes on the amount? Lose it all, bitch. Already spent it? Get a loan, bitch.

Your point about the arrest is just funny. Regarding the woefully unqualified opponent, one of my problems is that his opponent is woefully unqualified. And what makes you think that the woefully unqualified prince wouldn't be corrupt? The "oh he's a prince, so he won't accept bribes" bullshit?

The Mutual Uruguaya de Futbolistas Profesionales is attempting to use the corruption scandal as a pretext to overturn Luis Suárez’s international ban for biting Giorgio Chiellini at the 2014 World Cup.

Since the ban was already appealed to and upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, I can’t imagine what they hope to gain from this other than mockery.

Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.

I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.

UEFA leaves FIFA, then Russia leaves UEFA. And that's a 140 million+ market of UEFA, roughly a fifth of it. If UEFA genuinely wanted to remove Blatter, instead of trying to superimpose a prince on the AFC, someone that the AFC didn't vote for despite him acting as their VP, then they should've started proceedings when AFC could've selected another candidate to lead them, get said candidate approved by CAF and the Carib part of CONCACAF, and then hold elections. And all this UEFA whining about a lack of democracy is just hilarious.

Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.

Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?

Right, a day or two before the election - but hey, that's just a coincidence. And I didn't say that some prince was unqualified because he got his education in the US. I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him.

That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.

Did you miss the recent World Cup held in Brazil? In the first game, the ref had to fake a penalty for Brazil to get them the win. In the last game they were humiliated. In between they barely won with ref support.

[Teemant]

That's generally how people turn into informants, Shof.

Right. My point is that he was pressured to turn into an informant by the IRS, which is a US agency. I'm not saying it's bad, (unless you're a NASL fan,) I'm just saying that Blazer became an informant as a result of IRS pressure.

Switzerland is looking into 2018 Russian bid. The article you mentioned also says that this is separate investigation.

Arrest were made now because all the key people were in the same place. No one could hide.

Blatter still runs against Jordanian so whats your problem here?

No I don't speak behalf of world but I certainly don't like corruption and ability to buy tournaments if this is the case.

Re Switzerland - who gave them the initial information? Was in Blazer the informant? Just for the record, I think Blazer's an idiot; how the fuck do you not pay taxes on $11 million? "Sorry cuz, I left $11 mil in the closet and then forgot about it?" I fully support any and all financial IRS penalties against Blazer, up to the sum of $11 million. Deliberately don't pay taxes on the amount? Lose it all, bitch. Already spent it? Get a loan, bitch.

Your point about the arrest is just funny. Regarding the woefully unqualified opponent, one of my problems is that his opponent is woefully unqualified. And what makes you think that the woefully unqualified prince wouldn't be corrupt? The "oh he's a prince, so he won't accept bribes" bullshit?

Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.

I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.

UEFA leaves FIFA, then Russia leaves UEFA. And that's a 140 million+ market of UEFA, roughly a fifth of it. If UEFA genuinely wanted to remove Blatter, instead of trying to superimpose a prince on the AFC, someone that the AFC didn't vote for despite him acting as their VP, then they should've started proceedings when AFC could've selected another candidate to lead them, get said candidate approved by CAF and the Carib part of CONCACAF, and then hold elections. And all this UEFA whining about a lack of democracy is just hilarious.

Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.

Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?

Right, a day or two before the election - but hey, that's just a coincidence. And I didn't say that some prince was unqualified because he got his education in the US. I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him.

That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.

Did you miss the recent World Cup held in Brazil? In the first game, the ref had to fake a penalty for Brazil to get them the win. In the last game they were humiliated. In between they barely won with ref support.

Well I wish there were more canditates because I was not convinced by the prince either. I don't understand how only 2 people were candidates to run such a large organization like FIFA. This really is a closed inner circle thing I guess.

[The Matthew Islands]

Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.

I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.

UEFA leaves FIFA, then Russia leaves UEFA. And that's a 140 million+ market of UEFA, roughly a fifth of it. If UEFA genuinely wanted to remove Blatter, instead of trying to superimpose a prince on the AFC, someone that the AFC didn't vote for despite him acting as their VP, then they should've started proceedings when AFC could've selected another candidate to lead them, get said candidate approved by CAF and the Carib part of CONCACAF, and then hold elections. And all this UEFA whining about a lack of democracy is just hilarious.

Yes, I'm sure UEFA will struggle without all those massive global Russian heavyweight clubs, like, you know, that one team from Moscow who make the Champions league final 16.

Poor old UEFA would have to rely on the Premier league (The most watched league in the world), La Liga, Series A, the Bundesliga, the Ligue 1 and the Primeira Liga. The Premier league alone probably provides more income for UEFA than the Russian Premier leauge has in its entire lifetime.

Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.

Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?

Right, a day or two before the election - but hey, that's just a coincidence. And I didn't say that some prince was unqualified because he got his education in the US. I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him.

That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.

Did you miss the recent World Cup held in Brazil? In the first game, the ref had to fake a penalty for Brazil to get them the win. In the last game they were humiliated. In between they barely won with ref support.

Coincidence? You may not have been aware, but there have pretty much been calls for investigations into the 2018 and 2022 world cups since they were first announced. Perhaps the Swiss have decided to do it as part of the corruption investigation as it gives them more leverage for negotiating deals and gleaning information from the suspects.

Also, if Ali's education doesn't matter, why mention it in the first place. Also he apparently won the election for VP of the AFC.

[Juristonia]

I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .

Unlike Blatter who, of course, had a very successful soccer career.

[Greed and Death]

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz ... ainst-fifa

McCain is pushing for an invasion until Fifa calls the support Soccer the correct American way. Also change their name to FISA

[Vassenor]

Dear Leader condemns the "hate campaign" being run against him by European football officials.

[Teemant]

I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .

Unlike Blatter who, of course, had a very successful soccer career.

Has he even kicked a soccer ball before?

[Souseiseki]

I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .

Unlike Blatter who, of course, had a very successful soccer career.

boris johnson for FIFA

[New Skaaneland]

Not defending Blatter anymore. I still refuse to be part of this American anti-soccer campaign, but I'd like to take this evil football thing one step further and be a traitor.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not defending Blatter anymore. I still refuse to be part of this American anti-soccer campaign, but I'd like to take this evil football thing one step further and be a traitor.

Yeah, it's not an anti-soccer campaign.

[New Skaaneland]

It sure is and it wouldn't surprise me if the ultras are in on it. In particular I blame malmö ff.

[Imperializt Russia]

It sure is and it wouldn't surprise me if the ultras are in on it. In particular I blame malmö ff.

What the fuck is an ultra.

It's a long-overdue corruption roundup. The reason they're not investigated the NFL league is because the US doesn't have to vie influence for that on an international level. With FIFA, they do.

[Vassenor]

What the fuck is an ultra.

The far-right eastern European equivalent to English hooligan firms.

[Imperializt Russia]

Firms don't have anything to fight for if they back an "anti-soccer campaign".
Why do conspiracy theorists never think things through?

[New Skaaneland]

The term ultras has its' origins in old days Italian football culture, where groups of supporters were starting to form and get organised on the terraces. "Ultra" in itself means 'beyond' and they were basically taking football support one step beyond the other Italian supporters at the time.
"Ultra" later came to be associated both with left wing/right wing politics, whereas other groups added an "s" calling themselves "ultras". Further complications might have occured since the political thing started to spread and it's played a part in various alliances being formed etc. The definitions have also changed largely with the culture's international spread, as a lot of people even within the scene now considers "ultras" just to be the plural form of an "ultra".

On an international level British supporters used to have a strong impact which over triumfed the Italian influence as they've always had hardcore supporters who weren't influenced at all by this whole ultras thing or the similar cultures forming in many southern European countries and in South America. The so called "English decease" was a name for the often violant casual culture which was exported to many countries.

Now I'm going to focus on the Swedish scene, since it's what I know best. Some clubs here, like malmö ff, never did take in much of these English influences. For a long time they were one of the most succesful teams in Sweden despite the fact that they hardly had any supporters at all. When Helsingborgs IF, another team from the same region, finally made it back to the top tier we had the most supporters in the country and a boom soon followed where especially teams from Stockholm and Gothenburg had increasing attendances. Most of which had influences both from British and southern style supporters. Malmö continued to be very small until the season of 2003, where Supras malmö were formed and suddenly their support grew about 10 times in one or two seasons. The vocal part growing even more than that, since they hardly had any singing before. Despite this growth they continued to have very few of British style hooligans and the relatively sparsely organised terrace culture which it is often accompanied with. There are still other clubs who consider malmö's ultras to be inferior of theirs - and they tend to have a larger potential for violence - but malmö always stood out for not having anything else. Helsingborg would've been the complete opposite until very recently.

Now, the point in all of this is that the international ultras culture - and especially the politically correct kind which is supposed to look friendly and which malmö is a typical example of - tends to be lead and organised in a way which is often used for other causes than the actual football support. Clubs such as malmö have been at the forefront of introducing pro homosexual propaganda at the stands, they've intended to cleanse their terraces of supporters who might be right wing both openly with banners and internally by excluding members from supras malmö who had right wing opinions. They've basically tried to use football for political reasons and this is very different from the climate in Helsingborg, where fights have broken out between apolitical football supporters and fascists, not because of different opinions but because of different priorities. The priorities of malmö supporters, even the senior members of their ultras, are politics over football. This reduces football to a tool which can easily be used for whatever causes - including so called "conspiracies" - and what really stands out in their case is that before this situation occured malmö quite literally had no fans.

Since the foundation of supras malmö their influence have destroyed much of the geographical catchment area from which HIF raises its' supporters and they've been a bad influence in every single situation where they've showed up. Their existence is a degrading stain on the human race. This is why every time I see something bad happening I tend to think of malmö supporters.

[Ifreann]

The term ultras has its' origins in old days Italian football culture, where groups of supporters were starting to form and get organised on the terraces. "Ultra" in itself means 'beyond' and they were basically taking football support one step beyond the other Italian supporters at the time.
"Ultra" later came to be associated both with left wing/right wing politics, whereas other groups added an "s" calling themselves "ultras". Further complications might have occured since the political thing started to spread and it's played a part in various alliances being formed etc. The definitions have also changed largely with the culture's international spread, as a lot of people even within the scene now considers "ultras" just to be the plural form of an "ultra".

On an international level British supporters used to have a strong impact which over triumfed the Italian influence as they've always had hardcore supporters who weren't influenced at all by this whole ultras thing or the similar cultures forming in many southern European countries and in South America. The so called "English decease" was a name for the often violant casual culture which was exported to many countries.

Now I'm going to focus on the Swedish scene, since it's what I know best. Some clubs here, like malmö ff, never did take in much of these English influences. For a long time they were one of the most succesful teams in Sweden despite the fact that they hardly had any supporters at all. When Helsingborgs IF, another team from the same region, finally made it back to the top tier we had the most supporters in the country and a boom soon followed where especially teams from Stockholm and Gothenburg had increasing attendances. Most of which had influences both from British and southern style supporters. Malmö continued to be very small until the season of 2003, where Supras malmö were formed and suddenly their support grew about 10 times in one or two seasons. The vocal part growing even more than that, since they hardly had any singing before. Despite this growth they continued to have very few of British style hooligans and the relatively sparsely organised terrace culture which it is often accompanied with. There are still other clubs who consider their ultras to be inferior of theirs - and they tend to have a larger potential for violence - but malmö always stood out for not having anything else. Helsingborg would've been the complete opposite until very recently.

Now, the point in all of this is that the international ultras culture - and especially the politically correct kind which is supposed to look friendly and which malmö is a typical example of - tends to be lead and organised in a way which is often used for other causes than the actual football support. Clubs such as malmö have been at the forefront of introducing pro homosexual propaganda at the stands, they've intended to cleanse their terraces of supporters who might be right wing both openly with banners and internally by excluding members from supras malmö who had right wing opinions. They've basically tried to use football for political reasons and this is very different from the climate in Helsingborg, where fights have broken out between apolitical football supporters and fascists, not because of different opinions but because of different priorities. The priorities of malmö supporters, even the senior members of their ultras, are politics over football. This reduces football to a tool which can easily be used for whatever causes - including so called "conspiracies" - and what really stands out in their case is that before this situation occured malmö quite literally had no fans.

Since the foundation of supras malmö their influence have destroyed much of the geographical catchment area from which HIF raises its' supporters and they've been a bad influence in every single situation where they've showed up. Their existence is a degrading stain on the human race. This is why every time I see something bad happening I tend to think of malmö supporters.

So you think they're making the US authorities investigate FIFA officials for corruption. Some nothing little Swedish team is secretly the cause of all evil in the world.

[New Skaaneland]

mff are the clearest and most obvious symptom I can think of. They are an epidemic outbreak of this problem I'm referring to.

[Ifreann]

mff are the clearest and most obvious symptom I can think of. They are an epidemic outbreak of this problem I'm referring to.

What possible influence could they exert over the US authorities? Or the Swiss authorities? Or anyone outside of Sweden?

[New Skaaneland]

The barely noticeable windy whip of a butterfly.

[Ifreann]

The barely noticeable windy whip of a butterfly.

You realise that that sounds crazy, right?

[Frenline Delpha]

The barely noticeable windy whip of a butterfly.

You realise that that sounds crazy, right?

Somehow, I don't think he does.

[New Skaaneland]

I don't distinguish and classify between different illnesses, physical or mental ones, as I'm not a doctor. They do however constitute a serious problem.