Souseiseki wrote:how do you even bribe a prince
Let's just say, money's not all you can bribe people with.
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by Ontorisa » Fri May 29, 2015 5:56 pm
by Charlotte Ryberg » Fri May 29, 2015 6:04 pm
by Shofercia » Fri May 29, 2015 6:51 pm
Camicon wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Read between the lines: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/28/footb ... ck-blazer/
Hmm, handcuffs or being an informant, I'd call that pressure, wouldn't you?
That's generally how people turn into informants, Shof.
Teemant wrote:Switzerland is looking into 2018 Russian bid. The article you mentioned also says that this is separate investigation.
Arrest were made now because all the key people were in the same place. No one could hide.
Blatter still runs against Jordanian so whats your problem here?
No I don't speak behalf of world but I certainly don't like corruption and ability to buy tournaments if this is the case.
Risottia wrote:Commerce Heights wrote:The Mutual Uruguaya de Futbolistas Profesionales is attempting to use the corruption scandal as a pretext to overturn Luis Suárez’s international ban for biting Giorgio Chiellini at the 2014 World Cup.
Since the ban was already appealed to and upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, I can’t imagine what they hope to gain from this other than mockery.
Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.
I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.
The Matthew Islands wrote:Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.
Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?
The Archregimancy wrote:That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.
by Teemant » Sat May 30, 2015 12:16 am
Shofercia wrote:Camicon wrote:That's generally how people turn into informants, Shof.
Right. My point is that he was pressured to turn into an informant by the IRS, which is a US agency. I'm not saying it's bad, (unless you're a NASL fan,) I'm just saying that Blazer became an informant as a result of IRS pressure.Teemant wrote:Switzerland is looking into 2018 Russian bid. The article you mentioned also says that this is separate investigation.
Arrest were made now because all the key people were in the same place. No one could hide.
Blatter still runs against Jordanian so whats your problem here?
No I don't speak behalf of world but I certainly don't like corruption and ability to buy tournaments if this is the case.
Re Switzerland - who gave them the initial information? Was in Blazer the informant? Just for the record, I think Blazer's an idiot; how the fuck do you not pay taxes on $11 million? "Sorry cuz, I left $11 mil in the closet and then forgot about it?" I fully support any and all financial IRS penalties against Blazer, up to the sum of $11 million. Deliberately don't pay taxes on the amount? Lose it all, bitch. Already spent it? Get a loan, bitch.
Your point about the arrest is just funny. Regarding the woefully unqualified opponent, one of my problems is that his opponent is woefully unqualified. And what makes you think that the woefully unqualified prince wouldn't be corrupt? The "oh he's a prince, so he won't accept bribes" bullshit?Risottia wrote:
Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.
I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.
UEFA leaves FIFA, then Russia leaves UEFA. And that's a 140 million+ market of UEFA, roughly a fifth of it. If UEFA genuinely wanted to remove Blatter, instead of trying to superimpose a prince on the AFC, someone that the AFC didn't vote for despite him acting as their VP, then they should've started proceedings when AFC could've selected another candidate to lead them, get said candidate approved by CAF and the Carib part of CONCACAF, and then hold elections. And all this UEFA whining about a lack of democracy is just hilarious.The Matthew Islands wrote:Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.
Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?
Right, a day or two before the election - but hey, that's just a coincidence. And I didn't say that some prince was unqualified because he got his education in the US. I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him.The Archregimancy wrote:That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.
Did you miss the recent World Cup held in Brazil? In the first game, the ref had to fake a penalty for Brazil to get them the win. In the last game they were humiliated. In between they barely won with ref support.
by The Matthew Islands » Sat May 30, 2015 12:45 am
Shofercia wrote:Risottia wrote:
Considering how Figueredo (former president of the Uruguayan FA and former president of CONMEBOL) is among the arrested, maybe it's the case to have another look about the referee of that match.
I do hope that UEFA leaves FIFA, given the circumstances. I'd love to see how FIFA manages to survive without UEFA.
UEFA leaves FIFA, then Russia leaves UEFA. And that's a 140 million+ market of UEFA, roughly a fifth of it. If UEFA genuinely wanted to remove Blatter, instead of trying to superimpose a prince on the AFC, someone that the AFC didn't vote for despite him acting as their VP, then they should've started proceedings when AFC could've selected another candidate to lead them, get said candidate approved by CAF and the Carib part of CONCACAF, and then hold elections. And all this UEFA whining about a lack of democracy is just hilarious.
Shofercia wrote:The Matthew Islands wrote:Looking into the 2018 and 2022 bids on the back of several arrests of high profile FIFA executives actually makes sense. You know. Because of all that corruption.
Also why does being educated in the US/UK make someone inappropriate for the the top job in FIFA?
Right, a day or two before the election - but hey, that's just a coincidence. And I didn't say that some prince was unqualified because he got his education in the US. I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him.The Archregimancy wrote:That not only gets COMNEBOL more votes in FIFA, but also weakens the Brazilian national team to the advantage of just about everyone else. It's a win-win situation.
Did you miss the recent World Cup held in Brazil? In the first game, the ref had to fake a penalty for Brazil to get them the win. In the last game they were humiliated. In between they barely won with ref support.
Souseiseki wrote:as a posting career in the UK Poltics Thread becomes longer, the probability of literally becoming souseiseki approaches 1
by Juristonia » Sat May 30, 2015 1:53 am
Shofercia wrote:I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Greed and Death » Sat May 30, 2015 3:14 am
by Vassenor » Sat May 30, 2015 3:40 am
by Teemant » Sat May 30, 2015 3:48 am
Juristonia wrote:Shofercia wrote:I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .
Unlike Blatter who, of course, had a very successful soccer career.
by Souseiseki » Sat May 30, 2015 3:51 am
Juristonia wrote:Shofercia wrote:I said that he's unqualified because he doesn't have the soccer experience needed to run FIFA. Take a look at his soccer career. Under major accomplishments, you'll find that he was VP of AFC, doing such a bad job, that they didn't want to vote for him. .
Unlike Blatter who, of course, had a very successful soccer career.
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 3:55 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
by Imperializt Russia » Sat May 30, 2015 4:03 am
New Skaaneland wrote:Not defending Blatter anymore. I still refuse to be part of this American anti-soccer campaign, but I'd like to take this evil football thing one step further and be a traitor.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 4:08 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
by Imperializt Russia » Sat May 30, 2015 4:10 am
New Skaaneland wrote:It sure is and it wouldn't surprise me if the ultras are in on it. In particular I blame malmö ff.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Vassenor » Sat May 30, 2015 4:30 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:What the fuck is an ultra.
by Imperializt Russia » Sat May 30, 2015 4:32 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 4:50 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
by Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 4:56 am
New Skaaneland wrote:The term ultras has its' origins in old days Italian football culture, where groups of supporters were starting to form and get organised on the terraces. "Ultra" in itself means 'beyond' and they were basically taking football support one step beyond the other Italian supporters at the time.
"Ultra" later came to be associated both with left wing/right wing politics, whereas other groups added an "s" calling themselves "ultras". Further complications might have occured since the political thing started to spread and it's played a part in various alliances being formed etc. The definitions have also changed largely with the culture's international spread, as a lot of people even within the scene now considers "ultras" just to be the plural form of an "ultra".
On an international level British supporters used to have a strong impact which over triumfed the Italian influence as they've always had hardcore supporters who weren't influenced at all by this whole ultras thing or the similar cultures forming in many southern European countries and in South America. The so called "English decease" was a name for the often violant casual culture which was exported to many countries.
Now I'm going to focus on the Swedish scene, since it's what I know best. Some clubs here, like malmö ff, never did take in much of these English influences. For a long time they were one of the most succesful teams in Sweden despite the fact that they hardly had any supporters at all. When Helsingborgs IF, another team from the same region, finally made it back to the top tier we had the most supporters in the country and a boom soon followed where especially teams from Stockholm and Gothenburg had increasing attendances. Most of which had influences both from British and southern style supporters. Malmö continued to be very small until the season of 2003, where Supras malmö were formed and suddenly their support grew about 10 times in one or two seasons. The vocal part growing even more than that, since they hardly had any singing before. Despite this growth they continued to have very few of British style hooligans and the relatively sparsely organised terrace culture which it is often accompanied with. There are still other clubs who consider their ultras to be inferior of theirs - and they tend to have a larger potential for violence - but malmö always stood out for not having anything else. Helsingborg would've been the complete opposite until very recently.
Now, the point in all of this is that the international ultras culture - and especially the politically correct kind which is supposed to look friendly and which malmö is a typical example of - tends to be lead and organised in a way which is often used for other causes than the actual football support. Clubs such as malmö have been at the forefront of introducing pro homosexual propaganda at the stands, they've intended to cleanse their terraces of supporters who might be right wing both openly with banners and internally by excluding members from supras malmö who had right wing opinions. They've basically tried to use football for political reasons and this is very different from the climate in Helsingborg, where fights have broken out between apolitical football supporters and fascists, not because of different opinions but because of different priorities. The priorities of malmö supporters, even the senior members of their ultras, are politics over football. This reduces football to a tool which can easily be used for whatever causes - including so called "conspiracies" - and what really stands out in their case is that before this situation occured malmö quite literally had no fans.
Since the foundation of supras malmö their influence have destroyed much of the geographical catchment area from which HIF raises its' supporters and they've been a bad influence in every single situation where they've showed up. Their existence is a degrading stain on the human race. This is why every time I see something bad happening I tend to think of malmö supporters.
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 5:01 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
by Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 5:11 am
New Skaaneland wrote:mff are the clearest and most obvious symptom I can think of. They are an epidemic outbreak of this problem I'm referring to.
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 5:47 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
by Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 5:57 am
New Skaaneland wrote:The barely noticeable windy whip of a butterfly.
by Frenline Delpha » Sat May 30, 2015 6:10 am
by New Skaaneland » Sat May 30, 2015 6:10 am
Undo the Taylor report!
OOOOO HELSINGBORGS IF OOOOO
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