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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 17, 2015 8:24 am

Why don't we all just calm down and wait for this to end?
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New Babylonia
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Postby New Babylonia » Sun May 17, 2015 8:25 am

Roderia wrote:
New Babylonia wrote:Again, i didn't accuse you of anything. I never said you did any of those things, now did i? Good try though.

Not all Communists are genocidal. All Nazis ARE genocidal. See the difference? Good, good.

No... See, all I need to do is find one example throughout history of one non-genocidal Nazi and I've proven you wrong... That is easy, how about an SS-Policeman, believes in strengthening his weak country, proudly calling himself a Nazi, but neither condoning or perpetrating the genocide happening in the background. But I am sure that there were only a few million people like that.

Nope. Nazis support genocide. Infact, they were even very much like a cult according to history.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun May 17, 2015 8:27 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Polar Svalbard wrote:

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Both of you are *** Warned for picspamming. ***

If you think a thread is being threadjacked, then adding more threadjack to the mix is hardly an appropriate response.

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Edit: *** Two more Picspam warnings *** with a nice hint of trollnaming. Knock it off.
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 17, 2015 8:27 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Why don't we all just calm down and wait for this to end?



I fear I have already cast my die by posting here, so I'm caught as it were. But I will refrain from posting anymore.
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Roderia
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Postby Roderia » Sun May 17, 2015 8:28 am

New Babylonia wrote:
Roderia wrote:No... See, all I need to do is find one example throughout history of one non-genocidal Nazi and I've proven you wrong... That is easy, how about an SS-Policeman, believes in strengthening his weak country, proudly calling himself a Nazi, but neither condoning or perpetrating the genocide happening in the background. But I am sure that there were only a few million people like that.

Nope. Nazis support genocide. Infact, they were even very much like a cult according to history.

So you are willing to say that literally 100% of Nazis were genocidal. Odd... Given that numerous unaware civilians joined the Nazi Party to try to better their nation, not to exterminate a race. And after the party came to power, many people joined to help their social image and because it gave them more opportunities, were those innocent civilians killing millions of people?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 17, 2015 8:28 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:
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Both of you are *** Warned for picspamming. ***

If you think a thread is being threadjacked, then adding more threadjack to the mix is hardly an appropriate response.

Apologies. I will see myself out.
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Martean
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Postby Martean » Sun May 17, 2015 8:29 am

World Anarchic Union wrote:
Martean wrote:
Yeah I know, and it's a pity, if it weren't for XA, Greece would have one of the best political landscapes in the world.


Yes, I believe so, although there is ΝΔ which is fairly right wing and a number of right wing parties.
Also, KKE is communist but it is also somewhat conservative in nature. It isn't the best communist party as far as progressivism is concerned.


We've got our own KKE here in Spain (and also our own Syriza) it's called PCPE, Communist party of the peoples' of Spain, which represents that branch of 'conservative' (although they are more progressive than KKE) communism, and marxism-leninism. I don't like them preety much, but I prefer them to other parties.

Btw, I heard that when LAOS was wiped out, many of them went to ND or XA, and this has made ND go more towards the right, is this true? has ND gone in coalition with XA somewhere?
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 17, 2015 8:29 am

Still, there's some inconsistency between the swastika being banned while anyone edgy who feels like it can use the Daesh flag without repercussions.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun May 17, 2015 8:31 am

Gauthier wrote:Still, there's some inconsistency between the swastika being banned while anyone edgy who feels like it can use the Daesh flag without repercussions.

And from a purely aesthetic point of view it should obviously be the other way around.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun May 17, 2015 8:31 am

Summer is here. The teenagers are signing up, bundle of sticks at hand, ready to strike down the fictional holocaust, and my eyes are burning
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World Anarchic Union
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Sun May 17, 2015 8:32 am

Martean wrote:
World Anarchic Union wrote:
Yes, I believe so, although there is ΝΔ which is fairly right wing and a number of right wing parties.
Also, KKE is communist but it is also somewhat conservative in nature. It isn't the best communist party as far as progressivism is concerned.


We've got our own KKE here in Spain (and also our own Syriza) it's called PCPE, Communist party of the peoples' of Spain, which represents that branch of 'conservative' (although they are more progressive than KKE) communism, and marxism-leninism. I don't like them preety much, but I prefer them to other parties.

Btw, I heard that when LAOS was wiped out, many of them went to ND or XA, and this has made ND go more towards the right, is this true? has ND gone in coalition with XA somewhere?


Oh many LAOS members went to ND that truly made them go to the right, although their public image is too great to join XA. Some members of ND have somewhat fascist beliefs, though.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 17, 2015 8:35 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Summer is here. The teenagers are signing up, bundle of sticks at hand, ready to strike down the fictional holocaust, and my eyes are burning

I hadn't thought of that. That's why general is so extraordinarily shitty this weekend?
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun May 17, 2015 8:37 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:Both of you are *** Warned for picspamming. ***

If you think a thread is being threadjacked, then adding more threadjack to the mix is hardly an appropriate response.

Apologies. I will see myself out.

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Postby Valaran » Sun May 17, 2015 8:37 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Summer is here. The teenagers are signing up, bundle of sticks at hand, ready to strike down the fictional holocaust, and my eyes are burning

I hadn't thought of that. That's why general is so extraordinarily shitty this weekend?



Its been building up a head of steam lately.

(there were a few signs on previous threads).
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Sun May 17, 2015 9:47 am

Need a name wrote:The Whermact fought for Germany, not the Nazi Party.


They fought for Germany. Which was ruled by the exceptionally popular Nazi Party.

Also, we can blame all those those other deaths on the Nazis, because they started the whole crapfest.

The Nazi Swastika is, by nature, an overtly racist symbol promoting hate against a wide variety of minorities which are common on this site. By legalizing the use of the swastika, NS would drive away large numbers of people formerly happy to come here or make them deeply uncomfortable. From a purely practical standpoint, it's terrible policy. From an ethical standpoint, I don't believe that a symbol which stands for "let's kill Jews, Slavs, and the gays" should be allowed to be used. Using it is effectively hate speech, because by wielding it you endorse that. By contrast, the hammer and sickle has been used by more people than just Stalin and Mao. It has a long and varied history, and could be endorsing anyone from Marx himself to any one of the democratic Communist movements which have no association with the crimes of other regimes.

To put it simply, there is exactly one connotation and one meaning for the Nazi swastika. That's endorsement of mass genocide and ethnic cleansing. By contrast, the hammer and sickle (as my primary example) can mean any number of things.
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Postby Italios » Sun May 17, 2015 10:28 am

Definition of Nazi, from merriamwebster.com:

~a member of a German political party that controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
~an evil person who wants to use power to control and harm other people especially because of their race, religion, etc.

I think that's why swastikas are not permitted on NSG.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun May 17, 2015 6:08 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:Its summertime.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun May 17, 2015 6:09 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Summer is here. The teenagers are signing up, bundle of sticks at hand, ready to strike down the fictional holocaust, and my eyes are burning

I hadn't thought of that. That's why general is so extraordinarily shitty this weekend?


Yeah, it happens every year around this time.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun May 17, 2015 6:11 pm

Gosh, yes, let's whine about how our hatred is looked down upon by the people we hate. That sounds productive.

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Postby Torisakia » Sun May 17, 2015 6:12 pm

The key to getting a swastika as a flag is to have everyone simultaneously change their flags in swastikas. The mods will get so fed up with having to go through each individual to reset the flag that they'll just lift the ban. It's foolproof.

Eh, at least the OP's argument was better than "b-but the Buddhists used it!!".
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Postby Meryuma » Sun May 17, 2015 6:13 pm

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun May 17, 2015 6:14 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:Its summertime.

Isn't there a ban on referencing NS summer?
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Postby Abserdia » Sun May 17, 2015 6:14 pm

They would need to use the old swastika's then. Swastika's here in the west are portrayed as a nazi symbol, when they actually mean peace. Well, before Hitler came around.

Hitler ruined the toothbrush moustache too.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun May 17, 2015 6:15 pm

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun May 17, 2015 6:16 pm

Abserdia wrote:They would need to use the old swastika's then. Swastika's here in the west are portrayed as a nazi symbol, when they actually mean peace. Well, before Hitler came around.

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