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Should Digital Images Be Watermarked?

Postby Page » Sat May 02, 2015 10:21 pm

Photographers have the same right as anyone else to be paid fairly for their work, this should go without saying. It also should go without saying that it's kind of a dick thing to do to not credit the photographer who wants credit if you're going to use their image. Common sense and decency and all that.

BUT I am really sick of seeing watermarks. They're ugly and utterly ruin the image. And there's really no point now, is there? Think of it this way: A photographer uploads watermarked image as samples of their work in hopes that a customer will pay them so they can have their unaltered image. And someone does pay them and gets to use the image. But then, it's just as likely that people will steal the image from the customer who paid as it is that they'd steal from the photographer directly. So with that in mind, I have to ask. Why would you ruin a photograph with a watermark when it's not at all effective to do so?
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Postby Torisakia » Sat May 02, 2015 10:36 pm

Even if digital images are watermarked, there's always Photoshop to remove them. So even the creators of the image watermarking it would be pointless unless we ban Photoshop, which can't happen.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Sat May 02, 2015 10:45 pm

I've removed watermarks with a free photo editor before so watermarks and go suck it. They can't stop me from using their pictures.

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Postby Page » Sat May 02, 2015 10:49 pm

I know they're removable. I didn't make this thread because I can't find nice pics that don't have watermarks, I made it because I find the very act to be obnoxious.

Imagine if authors published books with every page having "THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN BY FIRSTNAME LASTNAME" somewhere on it.
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Postby Orsailes » Sat May 02, 2015 10:50 pm

Page wrote:I know they're removable. I didn't make this thread because I can't find nice pics that don't have watermarks, I made it because I find the very act to be obnoxious.

Imagine if authors published books with every page having "THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN BY FIRSTNAME LASTNAME" somewhere on it.

Sometimes books display the author name on the top of every odd or even page

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Postby Luziyca » Sat May 02, 2015 11:13 pm

It is annoying, but it is their choice to do so or not.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sat May 02, 2015 11:26 pm

I don't mind watermarks, there are plenty of resources without watermarks.

My only exception are those videos with the giant TMZ or news network watermark over it. Here's an awesome video of a Tsunami, sorry but here's TMZ blocking 3/4 of your screen. Enjoy your awesome Tsunami!
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sun May 03, 2015 12:01 am

I put my contact details on my photographs that I put online, along with a copyright statement, but in a very small font close to the edge. Anyone could remove them easily in a couple of minutes. Other people in my photography group use a large font right in the middle of the photo which completely spoils the image and just seems pointless to me. If someone wants to use one of my images commercially I hope they would have the decency to contact me to negotiate about its use. If I did not add my details how would anyone know how to contact me?
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Postby Mysterious Stranger » Sun May 03, 2015 12:30 am

Yeah, I really hate the practice too.

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun May 03, 2015 9:24 am

I am not a big fan of watermarks.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun May 03, 2015 9:27 am

Page wrote:I know they're removable. I didn't make this thread because I can't find nice pics that don't have watermarks, I made it because I find the very act to be obnoxious.

Imagine if authors published books with every page having "THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN BY FIRSTNAME LASTNAME" somewhere on it.

what are you wanting to do with these images if they didn't have a watermark?
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Postby Page » Sun May 03, 2015 9:39 am

Ashmoria wrote:what are you wanting to do with these images if they didn't have a watermark?


Admire them on my screen for a moment rather than shake my head in disappointment.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun May 03, 2015 10:02 am

Page wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:what are you wanting to do with these images if they didn't have a watermark?


Admire them on my screen for a moment rather than shake my head in disappointment.

then I guess that "no" watermarks are not a problem and it should be up to each creator to add watermark or not.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun May 03, 2015 10:34 am

I left out the watermarks on my photos because there is a growing trend towards creative commons and fair use. There is also a growing opinion against copyright due to the way some companies enforce them. Some are too paranoid that they give copyright a bad image, despite the principles being sound.

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Postby Laerod » Sun May 03, 2015 12:00 pm

Page wrote:Why would you ruin a photograph with a watermark when it's not at all effective to do so?

Source please.

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Postby Hydesland » Sun May 03, 2015 12:14 pm

Page wrote:But then, it's just as likely that people will steal the image from the customer who paid as it is that they'd steal from the photographer directly.


Under this assumption, they'd still get paid at least once. Nevertheless, people can purchase photos for all kinds of purposes other than for the web, such as in magazines, leaflets, television shows - stealing from there degrades the quality. Furthermore, for music there are collection societies that can come after you if you're caught using content without permission, I imagine something similar exists for using non watermarked photos without permission (and I mean in the context of placing the photo somewhere which may have a major distribution, not if Joe Schmoe uses it on his crappy blog with 3 readers).

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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun May 03, 2015 5:57 pm

I find watermark to be extraordinarily obnoxious, especially when they are put on free-to-share sites or the author doesn't copywrite them. It's like "you can use them but I want EVERYONE to know that I made this, your citation isn't enough!"
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Postby Sagredo » Sun May 03, 2015 6:41 pm

"Watermarks" are not necessarily visible. If the least significant digits are altered for instance, or something to the effect "this is an unauthorized copy" is put in the EXIF data. The data file is different but there's no visible difference.
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Postby Baitskhan » Sun May 03, 2015 6:42 pm

how does one start a forum?

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Postby Sagredo » Sun May 03, 2015 6:44 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:I find watermark to be extraordinarily obnoxious, especially when they are put on free-to-share sites or the author doesn't copywrite them. It's like "you can use them but I want EVERYONE to know that I made this, your citation isn't enough!"


Authors who intend their work to be freely shared should give it attribution license. The absense of any license doesn't mean anything, and does permit someone else to claim authorship and sell the image.
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Baitskhan wrote:how does one start a forum?


That's not the subject. But there are options you can find with a google search. First one I saw was ProBoards.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun May 03, 2015 6:48 pm

Sagredo wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:I find watermark to be extraordinarily obnoxious, especially when they are put on free-to-share sites or the author doesn't copywrite them. It's like "you can use them but I want EVERYONE to know that I made this, your citation isn't enough!"


Authors who intend their work to be freely shared should give it attribution license. The absense of any license doesn't mean anything, and does permit someone else to claim authorship and sell the image.

who said anything about claiming authorship or selling it?
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Postby Sagredo » Sun May 03, 2015 7:02 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Sagredo wrote:
Authors who intend their work to be freely shared should give it attribution license. The absense of any license doesn't mean anything, and does permit someone else to claim authorship and sell the image.

who said anything about claiming authorship or selling it?


Well I did. I thought you meant "the author didn't copyright them but someone else watermarked them". Apparently you're objecting to authors defacing their own work with a watermark?

I couldn't care less about that. The added ugly is part of their work.
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Postby Vedastia » Mon May 04, 2015 6:33 pm

Torisakia wrote:unless we ban Photoshop, which can't happen.
"Good idea!"

A photographer who is particularly unscrupulous about copyright law.
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