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How would you fix the American government?

1.) fine them
7
2%
2.) term limits
39
12%
3.) boot em' all and start over
45
14%
4.) limited government
49
15%
5.) much higher taxes on the government
8
3%
6.) Socialism
43
14%
7.) Communism
23
7%
8.) elect more independents
46
14%
9.) strengthen checks and balances (please explain)
23
7%
10.) cut the head off the serpent and declare ourselves an anarchy
35
11%
 
Total votes : 318

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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:36 pm

Mysterious Stranger wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:By standing up for a change and electing Death Star Party candidates on the local, state, and national levels! Together we will stand up to political corruption and gridlock, and they shall be vaporized by the might of our superlaser!

The death star is an expensive fiasco.

What price can we put on an end to drug abuse, an end to government corruption, an end to war, an end to climate change, to rape, to poverty, to disease, to hunger, to these and ten thousand other plagues that ravage us every day?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:36 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Lets just make an anarchy, I've always wanted to be a warlord 8)

Are you fucking kidding me.

*fulfills UD's prophecy*

Anarchy is order, it isn't fucking Somalia. It isn't a fucking fun teenage fad. It's revolution, it's an overthrow a white wealthy elite, it's equality and peace. Fuck.


Sure on paper it sound like all that but really there isn't anything from stopping me and Comrade UMN from getting a nice little group together and going to go do warlord things. You can say it's not Somalia all you want, but everywhere the state has gone away (minus a few small anarchist communes which are protected by states) things haven't exactly turned out well.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:37 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:>option 2 on the poll

Don't they already have those?

For some offices but not all. I'm not particularly a fan of term limits myself.


Really? For what reasons exactly?

I myself am tired of career politicians.
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Are you fucking kidding me.

*fulfills UD's prophecy*

Anarchy is order, it isn't fucking Somalia. It isn't a fucking fun teenage fad. It's revolution, it's an overthrow a white wealthy elite, it's equality and peace. Fuck.


Sure on paper it sound like all that but really there isn't anything from stopping me and Comrade UMN from getting a nice little group together and going to go do warlord things. You can say it's not Somalia all you want, but everywhere the state has gone away (minus a few small anarchist communes which are protected by states) things haven't exactly turned out well.

No, they haven't. It's an ongoing process. It'll never be attained unless we try.

And ideally, those "warlord things" would be stopped by an armed populace determined to continue their peaceful existence. There are many places where it could go wrong, but we have to fucking try.
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The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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United Dependencies
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Postby United Dependencies » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:42 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Mysterious Stranger wrote:The death star is an expensive fiasco.

What price can we put on an end to drug abuse, an end to government corruption, an end to war, an end to climate change, to rape, to poverty, to disease, to hunger, to these and ten thousand other plagues that ravage us every day?

$852 Quadrillion
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:43 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure on paper it sound like all that but really there isn't anything from stopping me and Comrade UMN from getting a nice little group together and going to go do warlord things. You can say it's not Somalia all you want, but everywhere the state has gone away (minus a few small anarchist communes which are protected by states) things haven't exactly turned out well.

No, they haven't. It's an ongoing process. It'll never be attained unless we try.

And ideally, those "warlord things" would be stopped by an armed populace determined to continue their peaceful existence. There are many places where it could go wrong, but we have to fucking try.


No, we don't have to try because anyone who isn't ignorant can see it's far too idealistic and utopian to ever work in the real world. Literally every single person would have to agree with the idea, which will never happen.

Your armed populace can want to continue their existence all they want, but simply having weapons doesn't mean they'll be an effective fighting force :p
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Postby Socialist Tera » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:45 pm

I will probably get told off by this but ban right winged libertarian views.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:45 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:What price can we put on an end to drug abuse, an end to government corruption, an end to war, an end to climate change, to rape, to poverty, to disease, to hunger, to these and ten thousand other plagues that ravage us every day?

$852 Quadrillion

We will, needless to say, have to make some cutbacks in these trying times.
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Postby Bachmann America » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:46 pm

Elect a Tea Party Republican with strong social conservative Christian values as President.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:48 pm

Bachmann America wrote:Elect a Tea Party Republican with strong social conservative Christian values as President.


The title says "fix" not "ruin even more".
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:48 pm

Bachmann America wrote:Elect a Tea Party Republican with strong social conservative Christian values as President.

No

nonono

bad

bad idea

nope.

Inequality, theocracy, oppression, discrimination? Not good things.
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The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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United Dependencies
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Postby United Dependencies » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:48 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:$852 Quadrillion

We will, needless to say, have to make some cutbacks in these trying times.

I hope you're not planning on leaving more gaps in the shield defenses as some of those cut backs.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

This is Nationstates we're here to help

Are you a native or resident of North Carolina?

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Postby Brickistan » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:52 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Lets just make an anarchy, I've always wanted to be a warlord 8)

Are you fucking kidding me.

*fulfills UD's prophecy*

Anarchy is order, it isn't fucking Somalia. It isn't a fucking fun teenage fad. It's revolution, it's an overthrow a white wealthy elite, it's equality and peace. Fuck.


Anarchy isn't order, it's chaos.

Sure, a few people could probably get along just fine by working things out as a group. But to have order in a larger group you need to define some some of hierarchy. And then it's not anarchy anymore, it's feudalism.

That's what I don't get about anarchy - it's a pipe dream. Just like communism, it sounds great in theory, but it will only work until someone decides that might-is-right and that he wants more than everyone else. And give the lamentable tendency of humanity, should all governments disappear right at this moment, it would probably take all of two seconds before the first feudal society had formed, be it a gang ruled by fear or a village ruled by the oldest and wisest men.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:00 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:We will, needless to say, have to make some cutbacks in these trying times.

I hope you're not planning on leaving more gaps in the shield defenses as some of those cut backs.

We will, but in favor of strong short-, medium-, long-, and super-long-range defense systems, which will allow us to defend the station and maintain our nation's security against missile attacks while scaling down other, more conventional defensive systems. Particularly vulnerable points will, of course, be fitted with additional protective measures.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:04 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I hope you're not planning on leaving more gaps in the shield defenses as some of those cut backs.

We will, but in favor of strong short-, medium-, long-, and super-long-range defense systems, which will allow us to defend the station and maintain our nation's security against missile attacks while scaling down other, more conventional defensive systems. Particularly vulnerable points will, of course, be fitted with additional protective measures.

How do you feel about evacuating our soldiers from Afghanistan?
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

This is Nationstates we're here to help

Are you a native or resident of North Carolina?

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:05 am

Bachmann America wrote:Elect a Tea Party Republican with strong social conservative Christian values as President.

In that situation I would hope that all minorities turn to revolutionary politics.
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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:06 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:We will, but in favor of strong short-, medium-, long-, and super-long-range defense systems, which will allow us to defend the station and maintain our nation's security against missile attacks while scaling down other, more conventional defensive systems. Particularly vulnerable points will, of course, be fitted with additional protective measures.

How do you feel about evacuating our soldiers from Afghanistan?

We'll need people on board the Death Star to prevent it being hijacked. Due to the size of the station, it is unlikely that we will be able to continue operations in certain areas of the world.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:11 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:How do you feel about evacuating our soldiers from Afghanistan?

We'll need people on board the Death Star to prevent it being hijacked. Due to the size of the station, it is unlikely that we will be able to continue operations in certain areas of the world.

Let me rephrase that question, let's say you've analyzed the rebels attack pattern and find a danger, how do you feel about having your personal shuttle standing by?
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

This is Nationstates we're here to help

Are you a native or resident of North Carolina?

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:17 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:We'll need people on board the Death Star to prevent it being hijacked. Due to the size of the station, it is unlikely that we will be able to continue operations in certain areas of the world.

Let me rephrase that question, let's say you've analyzed the rebels attack pattern and find a danger, how do you feel about having your personal shuttle standing by?

Firmly opposed. In order to be successful, humanity as a whole, myself included, must be annihilated. Contingency plans will be drafted so that if it seems likely a rebel assault will succeed, the planet, station, and assaulting ships can all be destroyed.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:19 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Let me rephrase that question, let's say you've analyzed the rebels attack pattern and find a danger, how do you feel about having your personal shuttle standing by?

Firmly opposed. In order to be successful, humanity as a whole, myself included, must be annihilated. Contingency plans will be drafted so that if it seems likely a rebel assault will succeed, the planet, station, and assaulting ships can all be destroyed.

I was expecting a Tarkin quote, but this will suffice.

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Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

This is Nationstates we're here to help

Are you a native or resident of North Carolina?

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:22 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Firmly opposed. In order to be successful, humanity as a whole, myself included, must be annihilated. Contingency plans will be drafted so that if it seems likely a rebel assault will succeed, the planet, station, and assaulting ships can all be destroyed.

I was expecting a Tarkin quote, but this will suffice.

Image

Tarkin died mere moments before his greatest triumph. I have no wish to imitate the man in any way, save for carrying out the complete and utter annihilation of a populated planet.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:44 am

Bachmann America wrote:Elect a Tea Party Republican with strong social conservative Christian values as President.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLqqswCcyE
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Oranje Nassau
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Postby Oranje Nassau » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:12 am

I would make presidentials elections with the popular vote.
The US should close unneeded military base in foreign nations and use the saved money on education and infrastructure.

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Postby Lydenburg » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:16 am

Tigeria wrote:How would you fix America's government, because let's be honest here, it is the center of corruption in America.


The government is the centre of corruption in every country. For that matter, large institutions by their very nature are the centre of corruption in every country. That's not something you can inherently "fix".

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Postby Tigeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:38 am

Socialist Tera wrote:I will probably get told off by this but ban right winged libertarian views.

We wouldn't be called the "United" States then
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