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How would you fix the American government?

1.) fine them
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2%
2.) term limits
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12%
3.) boot em' all and start over
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14%
4.) limited government
49
15%
5.) much higher taxes on the government
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3%
6.) Socialism
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14%
7.) Communism
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7%
8.) elect more independents
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14%
9.) strengthen checks and balances (please explain)
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7%
10.) cut the head off the serpent and declare ourselves an anarchy
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11%
 
Total votes : 318

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How to fix American government

Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:47 pm

How would you fix America's government, because let's be honest here, it is the center of corruption in America.

I would first fine them every time they pass something that has a negative effect on the people. What I'm expecting to happen is those lazy politicians would actually compromise and get more honest and actually helpful legislation passed, because I can't stand liars. Then I would boot out our current government and get new people in. I would then limit the government. And elect more independents, because we aren't just republicans and democrats we are Americans and we should work together to build a better united America.
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:48 pm

Tigeria wrote:How would you fix America's government, because let's be honest here, it is the center of corruption in America.

I would first fine them every time they pass something that has a negative effect on the people. What I'm expecting to happen is those lazy politicians would actually compromise and get more honest and actually helpful legislation passed, because I can't stand liars. Then I would boot out our current government and get new people in. I would then limit the government. And elect more independents, because we aren't just republicans and democrats we are Americans and we should work together to build a better united America.

Define negative effect.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:48 pm

Burn it all down, start again.
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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:49 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Tigeria wrote:How would you fix America's government, because let's be honest here, it is the center of corruption in America.

I would first fine them every time they pass something that has a negative effect on the people. What I'm expecting to happen is those lazy politicians would actually compromise and get more honest and actually helpful legislation passed, because I can't stand liars. Then I would boot out our current government and get new people in. I would then limit the government. And elect more independents, because we aren't just republicans and democrats we are Americans and we should work together to build a better united America.

Define negative effect.


Where it's hard for the people affected to recover.
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:50 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Define negative effect.


Where it's hard for the people affected to recover.

So you would fine them every time the economy had a slow growth period due to a lack of taxation?

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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:52 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Tigeria wrote:
Where it's hard for the people affected to recover.

So you would fine them every time the economy had a slow growth period due to a lack of taxation?


That's just an excuse. If the government can't help the people it should be fined.
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:52 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:So you would fine them every time the economy had a slow growth period due to a lack of taxation?


That's just an excuse. If the government can't help the people it should be fined.

Ehm, no. That's really not an excuse.

Also, fining the government? Who, exactly, would they pay?

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:53 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Burn it all down, start again.

Or just reform their political system to a parliamentary democracy where they end up like everyone else.
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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:55 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Tigeria wrote:
That's just an excuse. If the government can't help the people it should be fined.

Ehm, no. That's really not an excuse.

Also, fining the government? Who, exactly, would they pay?


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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:56 pm

OP, I see you've got it all figured out. I've got nothing to add.

Damn me for assuming government is a complex organisational body when you have proven it can be fixed in just one tiny paragraph.

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Postby Noxhaven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:56 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:So you would fine them every time the economy had a slow growth period due to a lack of taxation?


That's just an excuse. If the government can't help the people it should be fined.


Fined... the money then going to... um...
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:57 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Ehm, no. That's really not an excuse.

Also, fining the government? Who, exactly, would they pay?


Teachers so that we can get better education for Students

Teachers are employed by the government.

You'd have the government pay fines to the government?

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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:57 pm

Esternial wrote:OP, I see you've got it all figured out. I've got nothing to add.

Damn me for assuming government is a complex organisational body when you have proven it can be fixed in just one tiny paragraph.


Well it's definitely a start, how would you fix America's government?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:59 pm

Completely scrap the system and do it correctly from scratch.

The American government is broken beyond repair.

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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:59 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Tigeria wrote:
Teachers so that we can get better education for Students

Teachers are employed by the government.

You'd have the government pay fines to the government?


That's kind of a stretch isn't it? The money has to go somewhere so if you fined the government where would you want the money to go?
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:01 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Teachers are employed by the government.

You'd have the government pay fines to the government?


That's kind of a stretch isn't it? The money has to go somewhere so if you fined the government where would you want the money to go?

No it isn't a stretch.

You're not very good at this.

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:01 pm

Esternial wrote:OP, I see you've got it all figured out. I've got nothing to add.

Damn me for assuming government is a complex organisational body when you have proven it can be fixed in just one tiny paragraph.

*tips top hat* m'sir.

But yeah, that's true, you can't fix all of government's problems in one paragraph. If you could, then the world would be fixed pretty easily, wouldn't it. But it's not that simple. You can't fix all the problems however, because each government form brings new problems and doesn't fix all old ones.
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Postby Poptropia » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:03 pm

The American government can be great again! I have no doubt that of a Conservative Republican becomes president our country will soon begin to change for the best! If I were to be President one of the first things I would do is abolish the IRS and lower taxes because let's face it we're debt NOT because we are being under-taxed it's because the pinheads in Washington are overspending! And the second most important thing I would do to fix America's economy would be to support the private sector! The private sector is that one that makes all of America's well paying jobs and if we help them we help ourselves by making more jobs, we would be less needing of welfare, and America would thrive again!

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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:04 pm

Poptropia wrote:The American government can be great again! I have no doubt that of a Conservative Republican becomes president our country will soon begin to change for the best! If I were to be President one of the first things I would do is abolish the IRS and lower taxes because let's face it we're debt NOT because we are being under-taxed it's because the pinheads in Washington are overspending! And the second most important thing I would do to fix America's economy would be to support the private sector! The private sector is that one that makes all of America's well paying jobs and if we help them we help ourselves by making more jobs, we would be less needing of welfare, and America would thrive again!

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Postby Tigeria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:05 pm

Reddogkeno101 wrote:
Esternial wrote:OP, I see you've got it all figured out. I've got nothing to add.

Damn me for assuming government is a complex organisational body when you have proven it can be fixed in just one tiny paragraph.

*tips top hat* m'sir.

But yeah, that's true, you can't fix all of government's problems in one paragraph. If you could, then the world would be fixed pretty easily, wouldn't it. But it's not that simple. You can't fix all the problems however, because each government form brings new problems and doesn't fix all old ones.


Well, there has to exist a system that does, we just haven't discovered it yet. I don't claim to know the right system I'm just making suggestions on what I think could fix the most problems.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:05 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Esternial wrote:OP, I see you've got it all figured out. I've got nothing to add.

Damn me for assuming government is a complex organisational body when you have proven it can be fixed in just one tiny paragraph.


Well it's definitely a start, how would you fix America's government?

Oh, sure, your approach would work on Simcities.

I personally do not hold the pretence that I know all about politics, the government and its inner workings. I'd much rather leave fixing it up to the people that spend enough time to know their stuff.

It's like trying to build your own house when you know shit about making houses. What you envision is a horribly shallow concept of what a house should be and what you'll get is infinitely worse than what you tore down prior to starting on your ill-advised hobby.

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Postby Dejanic » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:06 pm

The entire political system is America is fucked.

I mean it's bad here in Britain, but it's reformable, but I honestly believe your political system is completely fucked in the USA. You'd to start again basically.
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Postby Noxhaven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:06 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Teachers are employed by the government.

You'd have the government pay fines to the government?


That's kind of a stretch isn't it? The money has to go somewhere so if you fined the government where would you want the money to go?


Perhaps we should just drop the idea of fining the government altogether. Focus more on the way the government functions. I personally agree with you about the independents -- the two-party system just slows down the system, as neither side is particularly willing to compromise with the other. Perhaps we could figure out some way to loosen the choke hold the R's and D's have on the system to allow more challengers with multiple viewpoints in.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:08 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:*tips top hat* m'sir.

But yeah, that's true, you can't fix all of government's problems in one paragraph. If you could, then the world would be fixed pretty easily, wouldn't it. But it's not that simple. You can't fix all the problems however, because each government form brings new problems and doesn't fix all old ones.


Well, there has to exist a system that does, we just haven't discovered it yet. I don't claim to know the right system I'm just making suggestions on what I think could fix the most problems.

Hate to break it to you mate, but Churchill beat you to this one. "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:09 pm

Repeal citizens united, cap campaign donations per person, make nation-wide standard for voting districts (like making them all to be perfect squares? Not perfect I know but still better then some horrors we have currently.
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That would do quite a bit to fix the political system.

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