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Did the Obama Administration act stupidly in the Uranium One deal?

Yes.
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No.
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Primitivist Jemaoi Aaja Aaja
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Postby Primitivist Jemaoi Aaja Aaja » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:05 pm

as if a Republican president would do anything different
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Russels Orbiting Teapot
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:06 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
For what?

For this Uranium deal.


There was one in the OP, but if you want a more unbiased one, here:

http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... -3-billion

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:06 pm

Benuty wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So people keep claiming...

With Reagan it really isn't that hard to argue, but Obama?

They aren't even out of the damn office yet.

20 years ago was Clinton.
We don't have to wait till they are out of office to know they are hidious presidents
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Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:07 pm

Primitivist Jemaoi Aaja Aaja wrote:as if a Republican president would do anything different

Or should.

We're not suddenly going to be unable to destroy the Earth several times over because of this.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:07 pm

Benuty wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So people keep claiming...

With Reagan it really isn't that hard to argue, but Obama?

They aren't even out of the damn office yet.


Too many people wish they could somehow erase the Obama Presidency from the minds of every living thing on the planet.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Benuty wrote:With Reagan it really isn't that hard to argue, but Obama?

They aren't even out of the damn office yet.

20 years ago was Clinton.
We don't have to wait till they are out of office to know they are hidious presidents

Clinton was a hideous president?

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Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:20 years ago was Clinton.
We don't have to wait till they are out of office to know they are hidious presidents

Clinton was a hideous president?

You think he was good looking?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:09 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Benuty wrote:With Reagan it really isn't that hard to argue, but Obama?

They aren't even out of the damn office yet.


Too many people wish they could somehow erase the Obama Presidency from the minds of every living thing on the planet.

If only we could do it in real life, the world would be a better place for it.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:20 years ago was Clinton.
We don't have to wait till they are out of office to know they are hidious presidents

Clinton was a hideous president?


Then how did he get all those women?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Clinton was a hideous president?


Then how did he get all those women?


Maybe they liked cigars?
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:20 years ago was Clinton.
We don't have to wait till they are out of office to know they are hidious presidents

Clinton was a hideous president?

I liked bill as president, that comment was directed about the current fellow Who is still in office.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:11 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Then how did he get all those women?


Maybe they liked cigars?

A woman who likes a cigar in her mouth is a keeper.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:15 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Clinton was a hideous president?

You think he was good looking?

Monica apparently thought so.

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Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:You think he was good looking?

Monica apparently thought so.

I'm loathe to accept the opinion of a woman who engaged in sexual actions with a sitting president. Basically, power is one hell of a motivator.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:15 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Monica apparently thought so.

I'm loathe to accept the opinion of a woman who engaged in sexual actions with a sitting president. Basically, power is one hell of a motivator.


You sure? Maybe she did it while he was standing?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:16 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:I'm loathe to accept the opinion of a woman who engaged in sexual actions with a sitting president. Basically, power is one hell of a motivator.


You sure? Maybe she did it while he was standing?

Only if she was bad at it.

If he can keep his stance while she's doing it, she's not worth mentioning.

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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:28 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Too many people wish they could somehow erase the Obama Presidency from the minds of every living thing on the planet.

If only we could do it in real life, the world would be a better place for it.


Yeah, a still occupied Iraq, no healthcare coverage for millions... much better place.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Arach-Naga Combine » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:28 pm

Primitivist Jemaoi Aaja Aaja wrote:as if a Republican president would do anything different

Of course they would. They also did.

Bush and his cabinet making tens of millions, and giving their corporate fellows trillions through tax cuts, but more importantly starting a war for no reason.

It's the kind of different we don't want to have again.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If only we could do it in real life, the world would be a better place for it.


Yeah, a still occupied Iraq, no healthcare coverage for millions... much better place.

Yes Iraq is sooo much better off now than it was with bush. Isis is so much better a ruler. And millions still don't have healthcare.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Yeah, a still occupied Iraq, no healthcare coverage for millions... much better place.

Yes Iraq is sooo much better off now than it was with bush. Isis is so much better a ruler. And millions still don't have healthcare.


Funny, I could swear ISIS made all those gains because the Bush Administration put Maliki in charge of Iraq and as a Shiite he shiite all over the Sunni population and they just stepped aside for ISIS. Yes, much better off now indeed.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Yes Iraq is sooo much better off now than it was with bush. Isis is so much better a ruler. And millions still don't have healthcare.


Mostly because of Republican governors stonewalling the medicaid expansion.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:37 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Yes Iraq is sooo much better off now than it was with bush. Isis is so much better a ruler. And millions still don't have healthcare.


Funny, I could swear ISIS made all those gains because the Bush Administration put Maliki in charge of Iraq and as a Shiite he shiite all over the Sunni population and they just stepped aside for ISIS. Yes, much better off now indeed.

Don't stop beliebing, fantasy land is a beautiful place.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:38 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Funny, I could swear ISIS made all those gains because the Bush Administration put Maliki in charge of Iraq and as a Shiite he shiite all over the Sunni population and they just stepped aside for ISIS. Yes, much better off now indeed.

Don't stop beliebing, fantasy land is a beautiful place.


Oh, so all those Iraqi military turning tail and giving away free American military hardware to ISIS was a fantasy now?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Don't stop beliebing, fantasy land is a beautiful place.


Oh, so all those Iraqi military turning tail and giving away free American military hardware to ISIS was a fantasy now?

no, just why you think it happened, Maliki may not have been a good choice, but it was the lack of support from Obama that drove him into iran's hands. That is what made the Sunni population completely turn against him.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:46 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Oh, so all those Iraqi military turning tail and giving away free American military hardware to ISIS was a fantasy now?

no, just why you think it happened, Maliki may not have been a good choice, but it was the lack of support from Obama that drove him into iran's hands. That is what made the Sunni population completely turn against him.


Top 10 Mistakes of former Iraq PM Nouri al-Maliki (That Ruined his Country)

1. Al-Maliki was so partisan in 2006 when he first came to power that he denied that Shiite militias were a security problem. When Gen. David Petraeus came to him in late 2006 with a plan to disarm the Sunni and Shiite militias in Baghdad, al-Maliki insisted that he begin with the Sunni armed groups. The US acquiesced, but as a result, the Shiite militias came into disarmed Sunni neighborhoods at night when the Americans weren’t looking, and ethnically cleansed them. Baghdad went from some 45% Sunni in 2003 to only 25% Sunni by the end of 2007. Al-Maliki’s sectarianism led to the transformation of Baghdad into a largely Shiite city.
2. Gen. Petraeus and others cultivated Sunnis who were alarmed at the rise of al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia (the predecessor of today’s so-called “Islamic State”), and created “Awakening Councils” of armed Sunnis willing to fight the extremists. Al-Maliki opposed this program and had shouting matches with Petraeus over it, fearing that the armed Sunnis would become a problem for his Shiite government after the defeat of al-Qaeda. (In fact, if only al-Maliki could get the Awakening Councils back now, he’d be very lucky). As the American forces withdrew from a combat role in 2009, US generals asked al-Maliki to hire the some 100,000 Sunni Awakening Council fighters. They could have been integrated into the police in cities like Mosul or Fallujah. Al-Maliki took about 17,000 of them, but left the other 83,000 twisting in the wind, without any stipends or pensions. Because they had fought al-Qaeda, they were targeted by the terrorists for reprisals and some were killed. In some instances al-Maliki actually prosecuted some Awakening Council fighters for anti-government activities they had engaged in before they joined the Council. Figure each of the 83,000 had a circle of 20 close relatives and friends. That was 1.6 million Sunni Arabs (out of some 5 million at the time) that al-Maliki alienated.
3. Although al-Maliki’s campaign in Basra against the Mahdi Army in spring of 2008 was a victory for the new Iraqi army, it only succeeded because the Shiite, pro-Iranian Badr Corps joined in on the side of the army, and because of American close air support. Al-Maliki is alleged in the aftermath to have brought thousands of Badr Corps fighters into the army, beginning a process of sectarianizing it. Ultimately, al-Maliki’s army from all accounts ended up being largely Shiite, which is one reason they were so unwelcome in mostly Sunni Arab Mosul (a city of 2 million) and that the Mosulis allied with the “Islamic State” against al-Maliki.
4. Al-Maliki allegedly kept the military weak for fear that a powerful officer might try to make a coup against him.
5. Al-Maliki played favorites with the Shiites of the south, his power base, and neglected to provide the Sunni Arab cities with key services, including enough electricity.
6. In late 2011, Al-Maliki abruptly declared his Sunni vice president, Tareq al-Hashimi, a terrorist, without any due process. He alienated a lot of Sunnis with this action.
7. Al-Maliki’s budgets were bloated and did not pay enough attention to investment, creating jobs, supporting local industry, or diversifying the economy away from its almost complete dependence on oil.
8. In 2010 when Sunnis enthusiastically joined the political process and voted in droves for the Iraqiya Party, al-Maliki froze it out of power in favor of a Shiite coalition put together under Iranian pressure (Iran is a Shiite state). The Sunnis were angry that they had the largest party in parliament but came away with nothing to show for it.
9. When the Arab Spring broke out in early 2011 and had its echoes in Iraq, with youth demonstrations against al-Maliki’s authoritarian ways among both Sunnis and Shiites, al-Maliki briefly pledged not to seek a third term as prime minister. (Arab Spring youth were particularly incensed by the power and prerogatives of presidents for life and their privileged children, who were being groomed to take over after them). Al-Maliki quickly reneged on his pledge and only on Thursday did he finally resign, having driven Sunnis into the arms of the “Islamic State.”
10. In winter-spring 2013 when Arab Spring-type demonstrations were mounted by the Sunnis in places like Falluja and Hawija in the Sunni Arab west and north, al-Maliki declared them terrorists and sent in military troops and helicopter gunships to brutally suppress the protests. Sunni Arabs, having been informed that they would be a perpetual defeated minority in parliament were now given the idea that even peaceable assembly would be denied to them as a political tactic. Al-Maliki’s policies gave them no incentive to remain within the system. In the end they allied with the al-Qaeda offshoot, the so-called “Islamic State.” Al-Maliki didn’t so much lose the Sunni Arabs as drive them into the arms of IS with systematic policies of marginalization.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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