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Novum Alexandria wrote:

The Wolven League wrote:I agree that it should be censored. All genders are equal but modern feminists are all extremists who believe women are superior to men. Their leaders should be executed, to be frank. Maybe then they will return to their original intent of getting equal gender rights. Not rights for women and none for men.

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Execution is a little far.

Not in my book. Executions should go on far more often.

Genivaria wrote:So apparently supporting equal rights for women was deemed offensive to the photography team.

Read the article:

At the request of her Ohio middle school principal, Sophie Thomas’ ‘Feminist’ shirt was digitally edited to appear all black, reportedly to avoid controversy.

The photography team were nothing to do with it. Later in the article it states it was a joint decision - presumably the principal requested, and the photography team agreed.
Secondly, it was not deemed offensive as you claim. The article itself reports that the principal thought people might find it offensive.
Its a clear case of being overly sensitive and having the unfortunate effect of bringing about more outrage than it probably would have caused if it had been left on. Maybe the principal was naive in thinking people wouldn't be expressing faux outrage over such a non-issue.

Esternial wrote:Ditch the term 'feminist' for the soiled rag it has become and get something new.

'Equalist' or something like that.

No we will not. The word isn't dirtied because radicals on both side decided to collectively dip it in pitch. No, you don't throw it out. You wash it.

Hm. The usual cry against "extremism" may apply in this case but only because feminism is fundamentally wrong. In a lot of cases where people are being pointed out as extreme the median perspective is just as irrelevant as female sexism.

If we have to abandon all groups and terms that some stupid or offensive people have associated themselves with then we're going to have to rewrite the entire ideological book.

So someone was offended over the word feminist and it's relation so the photo shopped it out. that's a stupid thing to do. I mean you can use it as an insult offend, but only to people who would be offended by being called one. I don't think a shirt like that is going to offend anyone.

(Quick edit) also, it was about school policy in regards to political messages and offensive messages, then don't use the word "offend" when conveying back the information when it's just politically charged. A political message is not inherently insulting or offensive. You might have on to something with controversy until then.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:If we have to abandon all groups and terms that some stupid or offensive people have associated themselves with then we're going to have to rewrite the entire ideological book.

Why do you engage in this double plus ungood speech?

Off to reeducation with you.

Esternial wrote:Ditch the term 'feminist' for the soiled rag it has become and get something new.

'Equalist' or something like that.

It's a relic title, not gonna change it just because a bunch of illiterate wussies are offended by it while they don't know a single thing about the movement behind it.

Though I presume it would make things easier to explain, that's why I prefer the title "sexual & gender egalitarian".

Camelza wrote:

Esternial wrote:Ditch the term 'feminist' for the soiled rag it has become and get something new.

'Equalist' or something like that.

It's a relic title, not gonna change it just because a bunch of illiterate wussies are offended by it while they don't know a single thing about the movement behind it.

Though I presume it would make things easier to explain, that's why I prefer the title "sexual & gender egalitarian".

The term has been subjected to propaganda.

Like how some people think "Muslim = Terrorist", they think "Feminist = Ball Chopping Amazon".

Camelza wrote:

Esternial wrote:Ditch the term 'feminist' for the soiled rag it has become and get something new.

'Equalist' or something like that.

It's a relic title, not gonna change it just because a bunch of illiterate wussies are offended by it while they don't know a single thing about the movement behind it.

Though I presume it would make things easier to explain, that's why I prefer the title "sexual & gender egalitarian".

Or just Egalitarian becuase I'm asuming if you want equality of the sexes and genders you'll want equality of the races and... er other groups....

Awyways, you're right. No ones going to drop a title just bevuase others associate with something else. As much as I believe that titles can be troublesome sometimes, i'm not dropping liberal for "freedom lover" because Justin trudeau identifies as liberal.

Gauthier wrote:

Camelza wrote:It's a relic title, not gonna change it just because a bunch of illiterate wussies are offended by it while they don't know a single thing about the movement behind it.

Though I presume it would make things easier to explain, that's why I prefer the title "sexual & gender egalitarian".

The term has been subjected to propaganda.

Like how some people think "Muslim = Terrorist", they think "Feminist = Ball Chopping Amazon".

Precisely, as such instead of changing the title for a new one(which could become a subject of propaganda as well), feminists should simply inform people in any way they can.

Fanosolia wrote:

Camelza wrote:It's a relic title, not gonna change it just because a bunch of illiterate wussies are offended by it while they don't know a single thing about the movement behind it.

Though I presume it would make things easier to explain, that's why I prefer the title "sexual & gender egalitarian".

Or just Egalitarian becuase I'm asuming if you want equality of the sexes and genders you'll want equality of the races and... er other groups....

Awyways, you're right. No ones going to drop a title just bevuase others associate with something else. As much as I believe that titles can be troublesome sometimes, i'm not dropping liberal for "freedom lover" because Justin trudeau identifies as liberal.

Not all people tend to be egalitarians regarding everything, even though some actually are, or really want to.

Just like the word "abolitionist" was offensive.

The Wolven League wrote:All genders are equal but modern feminists are all extremists who believe women are superior to men. Their leaders should be executed, to be frank. Maybe then they will return to their original intent of getting equal gender rights. Not rights for women and none for men.

Wow. Shooting for the win there, aren't you? And by "win" I mean "business end of a banhammer." Let's see, we've got verbatim "All X are Y" trolling. And then you go on to advocate murder of a group of people based on the previous trolling statement.

If it were just one or the other, I would be inclined toward an unofficial warning, but the double-header bumps it up to a *** warning for trolling/advocating death ***.

I suggest you review the site rules before proceeding.


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No, it is not offensive.

Who gives a shit if she wears the shirt? I think it was stupid to wear the shirt anyway, as it didn't make any difference.

Of course, a feminist that takes something too far. I love how, as in the article, she uses the hashtag "#IDeserveFreedomOfExpression". To be honest however, I think the whole situation, as well as both sides, are ridiculous. Saying that this is suppressing her rights is like saying your parents making you go to bed early is the suppression of rights. Though I wouldn't call having the word 'feminist' on a shirt "inappropriate", it is the school's decision to censor certain things out on school picture books they are making and ordering themselves.

Obviously not. If a kid wants to have their photo in a shirt that says "feminist" or "queer" or "bleeding-heart pinko" others can suck it up.

Merizoc wrote:Obviously not. If a kid wants to have their photo in a shirt that says "feminist" or "queer" or "bleeding-heart pinko" others can suck it up.

If she had wanted a t-shirt that said "Lamb of God" have to wonder how many people who sympathize with the school would suddenly 180 and raeg.

Gauthier wrote:

Merizoc wrote:Obviously not. If a kid wants to have their photo in a shirt that says "feminist" or "queer" or "bleeding-heart pinko" others can suck it up.

If she had wanted a t-shirt that said "Lamb of God" have to wonder how many people who sympathize with the school would suddenly 180 and raeg.

And how many people who are presently outraged would turn around and start defending the principal, too. Most people operate by post hoc justification; and humans are basically tribalist creatures at heart. The feminist tribe is outraged here; the religious conservatives would be outraged there. For that matter, it may very well be that the principal would have deleted any large block-letter declaration of political identity in the class photo. "Muslim" would cross different tribal lines. "Democrat" and "Republican" would probably share some outraged offenses, because people know that the two labels are equivalent, but you'd still see different people outraged based on which label it was.

Me, I would be saying more or less the same thing: "Offended" is being used by the principal because she knows it's a magic word that justifies censorship; it isn't an appropriate justification.

Merizoc wrote:Obviously not. If a kid wants to have their photo in a shirt that says "feminist" or "queer" or "bleeding-heart pinko" others can suck it up.

Not necessarily. Some schools will have a policy, written or unwritten, that class photos involve a fairly stringent dress code, excluding, among other things, shirts with messages on them. Class photos aren't intended as a venue for political messaging, branded advertising, etc.

And that's OK, so long as the rule is applied fairly to all political messaging. The rule should also be explicitly known to the students, really, or at least somewhere in their student code of conduct in the fine print so that they could know it if they cared to look up the precise rules.

What's not OK is justifying your post hoc application of an unwritten rule by announcing that someone might find the word on a shirt "offensive." We just had a thread about "offensive."

Bachmann America wrote:No but feminism is offensive both to God and to me.

It's too early for summer-type shitposting.

Nope, it isn't. This is just a dumb action taken by a school admin that has no fucking clue as to what feminism is about.

It depends on if you see it as political or not.

Tahar Joblis wrote:

Merizoc wrote:Obviously not. If a kid wants to have their photo in a shirt that says "feminist" or "queer" or "bleeding-heart pinko" others can suck it up.

Not necessarily. Some schools will have a policy, written or unwritten, that class photos involve a fairly stringent dress code, excluding, among other things, shirts with messages on them. Class photos aren't intended as a venue for political messaging, branded advertising, etc.

And that's OK, so long as the rule is applied fairly to all political messaging. The rule should also be explicitly known to the students, really, or at least somewhere in their student code of conduct in the fine print so that they could know it if they cared to look up the precise rules.

What's not OK is justifying your post hoc application of an unwritten rule by announcing that someone might find the word on a shirt "offensive." We just had a thread about "offensive."

Yes I agree completely. Though part of that's how abused the word "offensive" is sometimes. Then again, I've gotten tired of both sides of the "Offensive" debate

The Black Forrest wrote:There are simply too many people these days who want to be offended.

You mean like how feminists are always offended?