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by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:31 pm
by Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:31 pm
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:32 pm
Gauthier wrote:Haktiva wrote:no mostly feminists menstruating and shitting on a flag(albeit the flag of the Islamic State) and calling art is when I call it ridiculous. Also Big Red.Haktiva wrote:eh, I was talking more about the destruction of male spaces, honestly.
Moving goalposts burns a lot of calories eh?
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:32 pm
by Nelson R Mandela » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:33 pm
Gauthier wrote:Nelson R Mandela wrote:It's a nice thing to have feminism nowadays, but now it's starting to get rather ridiculous, and OP's article proves it.
Soo a girl wanting to wear a t-shirt that proclaims she's a feminist proves feminism is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing the shirts of their favorite sporting team prove sporting is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing shirts of their favorite entertainer prove entertainment is getting ridiculous? Shirt of their favorite classical composer prove classical music is getting ridiculous?
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:34 pm
Nelson R Mandela wrote:Gauthier wrote:
Soo a girl wanting to wear a t-shirt that proclaims she's a feminist proves feminism is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing the shirts of their favorite sporting team prove sporting is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing shirts of their favorite entertainer prove entertainment is getting ridiculous? Shirt of their favorite classical composer prove classical music is getting ridiculous?
No, that's not what I'm saying. I personally feel like there is already enough social equality in our modern times than there ever was, at least in USA. I find it unnecessary for one to even consider support the movement today.
by Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:34 pm
Nelson R Mandela wrote:Gauthier wrote:
Soo a girl wanting to wear a t-shirt that proclaims she's a feminist proves feminism is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing the shirts of their favorite sporting team prove sporting is getting ridiculous? Do people wearing shirts of their favorite entertainer prove entertainment is getting ridiculous? Shirt of their favorite classical composer prove classical music is getting ridiculous?
No, that's not what I'm saying. I personally feel like there is already enough social equality in our modern times than there ever was, at least in USA. I find it unnecessary for one to even consider support the movement today.
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:36 pm
Gauthier wrote:Nelson R Mandela wrote:No, that's not what I'm saying. I personally feel like there is already enough social equality in our modern times than there ever was, at least in USA. I find it unnecessary for one to even consider support the movement today.
So scrap the Lilly Ledbetter Act because women are receiving pay equal to men amirite?
by Nelson R Mandela » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:37 pm
Gauthier wrote:Nelson R Mandela wrote:No, that's not what I'm saying. I personally feel like there is already enough social equality in our modern times than there ever was, at least in USA. I find it unnecessary for one to even consider support the movement today.
So scrap the Lilly Ledbetter Act because women are receiving pay equal to men amirite?
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:39 pm
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:43 pm
by Gauthier » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:45 pm
Haktiva wrote:Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
Such as...?
Mostly I see it as women butting into traditionally male only spaces. They like to sanitize it and make it "safe". Saloons were traditionally only male, but then we had the temperance movement and now were have "ladies nights".
Gaming is perhaps the latest battleground(hence gamergate in a way). Mostly it was guys who played, the vast majority are still guys. Now women want in(probably for attention) and we have all this controversy.
There's also sports and such. However, the destruction of a male space is usually on a smaller scale as far as I can tell. It's what I call marriage, especially nowadays.
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:46 pm
Haktiva wrote:Mostly I see it as women butting into traditionally male only spaces. They like to sanitize it and make it "safe". Saloons were traditionally only male, but then we had the temperance movement and now were have "ladies nights".
Gaming is perhaps the latest battleground(hence gamergate in a way). Mostly it was guys who played, the vast majority are still guys. Now women want in(probably for attention) and we have all this controversy.
There's also sports and such. However, the destruction of a male space is usually on a smaller scale as far as I can tell. It's what I call marriage, especially nowadays.
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:47 pm
Gauthier wrote:Haktiva wrote:Mostly I see it as women butting into traditionally male only spaces. They like to sanitize it and make it "safe". Saloons were traditionally only male, but then we had the temperance movement and now were have "ladies nights".
Gaming is perhaps the latest battleground(hence gamergate in a way). Mostly it was guys who played, the vast majority are still guys. Now women want in(probably for attention) and we have all this controversy.
There's also sports and such. However, the destruction of a male space is usually on a smaller scale as far as I can tell. It's what I call marriage, especially nowadays.
So whining that women aren't sticking to Barbie Dolls?
by Fanosolia » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:48 pm
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:52 pm
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Haktiva wrote:Mostly I see it as women butting into traditionally male only spaces. They like to sanitize it and make it "safe". Saloons were traditionally only male, but then we had the temperance movement and now were have "ladies nights".
Gaming is perhaps the latest battleground(hence gamergate in a way). Mostly it was guys who played, the vast majority are still guys. Now women want in(probably for attention) and we have all this controversy.
You know you come off as a bigot, right?
A lot of those places used to also be traditionally white places.
And I know plenty of girl gamers who are definitely not doing it for the attention.There's also sports and such. However, the destruction of a male space is usually on a smaller scale as far as I can tell. It's what I call marriage, especially nowadays.
How is marriage the destruction of a male space? What the fuck are you on about?
Are... are you the partriarchy?
by Nelson R Mandela » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:53 pm
Haktiva wrote:Nelson R Mandela wrote:No, that's not what I'm saying. I personally feel like there is already enough social equality in our modern times than there ever was, at least in USA. I find it unnecessary for one to even consider support the movement today.
feminism in the west is all about first world problems.
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:55 pm
Fanosolia wrote:Gauthier wrote:
On this forum? MRAs echo chambering about how feminists are out to ruin video games and the entire world.
... You know I don't normally use images on here but let me use one for a second.
I'll admit that alot about so called "gamegate" I've stayed away from. Oh not because I don't care. I care alot about both the issues of critiquing gender tropes, and sponsorship deals and such, but literally... from day one, even before it was named "gamergate", it has been a horrid toxic mess spawn by something 4chan to the point I want no part of it. Plus for all the feminist stuff... i didn't, and don't care. It's a view point and it's only going to change in the medium if people make the games they want from what the want changed about games (and other media) now. Prove they have a market, and that's what we as collective consumers want (more of). Otherwise, This irrational fear isn't going to come to pass.
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:56 pm
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:00 pm
Haktiva wrote:yeah that's my position as well. the free market goes with whoever votes more with their wallets. feminist games aren't gonna make a lot of money because most guys aren't interested in that(I say this because most gamers are guys, so games pander to them the same way romantic comedy movies pander to couples and assault rifles pander to anti-government wackos..... wait, scratch that last part)
Haktiva wrote:why isn't feminism in the middle east? well it is, but not quite to the extent we have it here. more women are probably more concerned about them and their families not starving to death or being slaughtered by savages as opposed to being paid the same amount of funny money for busywork.
by Nelson R Mandela » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:06 pm
Haktiva wrote:Nelson R Mandela wrote:Haha true!
why isn't feminism in the middle east? well it is, but not quite to the extent we have it here. more women are probably more concerned about them and their families not starving to death or being slaughtered by savages as opposed to being paid the same amount of funny money for busywork.
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:09 pm
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Haktiva wrote:yeah that's my position as well. the free market goes with whoever votes more with their wallets. feminist games aren't gonna make a lot of money because most guys aren't interested in that(I say this because most gamers are guys, so games pander to them the same way romantic comedy movies pander to couples and assault rifles pander to anti-government wackos..... wait, scratch that last part)
Barely. 48% of people who play video games are women. That is a big market share.
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-wome ... mographic/Haktiva wrote:why isn't feminism in the middle east? well it is, but not quite to the extent we have it here. more women are probably more concerned about them and their families not starving to death or being slaughtered by savages as opposed to being paid the same amount of funny money for busywork.
"Savages"... wonderful.
And I would guess the commonality of patriarchal religious extremism has something to do with it. It is however on the rise.
http://www.thenation.com/article/177467 ... -feminists
by Haktiva » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:10 pm
Nelson R Mandela wrote:Haktiva wrote:why isn't feminism in the middle east? well it is, but not quite to the extent we have it here. more women are probably more concerned about them and their families not starving to death or being slaughtered by savages as opposed to being paid the same amount of funny money for busywork.
That's a good point you're making. Although I don't know too much of the culture and tradition of typical middle eastern families I can say it's just the difference of culture and tradition between typical middle eastern families and western families. Then again, there are extremists for every minority/majority group!
by Fanosolia » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:14 pm
Haktiva wrote:Fanosolia wrote:
... You know I don't normally use images on here but let me use one for a second.(Image)
I'll admit that alot about so called "gamegate" I've stayed away from. Oh not because I don't care. I care alot about both the issues of critiquing gender tropes, and sponsorship deals and such, but literally... from day one, even before it was named "gamergate", it has been a horrid toxic mess spawn by something 4chan to the point I want no part of it. Plus for all the feminist stuff... i didn't, and don't care. It's a view point and it's only going to change in the medium if people make the games they want from what the want changed about games (and other media) now. Prove they have a market, and that's what we as collective consumers want (more of). Otherwise, This irrational fear isn't going to come to pass.
yeah that's my position as well. the free market goes with whoever votes more with their wallets. feminist games aren't gonna make a lot of money because most guys aren't interested in that(I say this because most gamers are guys, so games pander to them the same way romantic comedy movies pander to couples and assault rifles pander to anti-government wackos..... wait, scratch that last part)
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:22 pm
Haktiva wrote:Yeah that kind of inflates the numbers a bit. Casual gamers and the nerdy kind like me are pretty different, but we haven't gotten into that and gamergate has its own thread.
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