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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:11 pm

School Censors Girl's Shirt for Yearbook Photo

At the request of her Ohio middle school principal, Sophie Thomas’ ‘Feminist’ shirt was digitally edited to appear all black, reportedly to avoid controversy. (Photo: WXIX)

One middle school class photo is getting a lot of attention — because of what it doesn’t include.

Eighth grader Sophie Thomas wore a black t-shirt emblazoned with the word “Feminist” in silver for a recent picture day at Clermont Northeastern Middle School in Batavia, Ohio. Yet when the teen — sitting in the front row of assembled students — saw a copy of the photo last week, she was floored to find that “feminist” had been digitally removed.

“I was insanely upset,” the teen told FOX19 of the airbrushed edit. “I was just showing everybody that this is me, and if you don’t like it, you don’t have to be my friend.”

According to Thomas, Clermont Northeastern’s Principal Kendra Young insisted that a class photo is no place for a statement that she deemed controversial. The student said that the administrator declared, ‘It was mine and the photographer’s decision to photoshop your shirt because some people might find it offensive.’” (Young did not immediately respond to Yahoo Parenting’s requests for comment).

Yet Thomas says she wasn’t intent on making a school-wide statement with the shirt. She just wore it that day to assert herself after a high school student made a sexist comment to her. “I’m going to stand up for what I believe in,” says the teen, who, with her parents, has since met with school officials about the incident. (Thomas insists that she wasn’t given any notice about the shirt being censored but the school’s superintendent, Ralph Shell, told Today, “The parents were contacted, the young lady was contacted…They said it was OK to remove it.”)

Now the middle school will reportedly be holding group discussions and welcoming guest speakers to address the issue.

All this drama is clearly a teachable moment, however it went down, says Jennifer Baumgardener, executive director and publisher of the Feminist Press at The City University of New York. “If this incident’s smoke can be separated from the flame of insight, it could be really cool opportunity for the students and teachers to talk about feminism and freedom of speech,” she tells Yahoo Parenting. “’Feminist’ is an identity that people have a strong reaction to, both positive and negative.”

A recent poll, in fact, found that despite 85 percent of respondents agreeing that they believe in “equality for women,” just 18 percent identify themselves as feminist.

Why is the term such a hot button topic? “People used to think that it meant something queer, like associating with being a lesbian,” says Baumgardener. “Now it’s possibly associated for some with abortion. I’m not sure exactly why it’s so polarizing, but it’s not surprising to me that something labeled ‘feminist,’ is threatening. What it represents, on the deepest level, is the fact that women have all this power to make or not make life. For girls and women it can be hard to make friends with that power.”

Thomas, for one, has no such difficulty being a feminist and identifying herself as one. “People around here misconstrue the word,” she told Today. “Like, 'Oh, you’re a feminist so you hate men.’ I just want to spread equality, and a lot of people here don’t agree with me."

Having an 8th grader wear that word on her shirt “is like opening up a Pandora’s Box,” admits Baumgardener. “But if the school wanted to avoid controversy, though, they made the wrong move by editing her speech on her shirt.”

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So apparently supporting equal rights for women was deemed offensive to the photography team.
I for one think this is really freaking stupid and just demonstrates the extent of the anti-feminist propaganda that pervades our society.
But anyway what does General think?

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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:14 pm

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No words can describe this stupidity.

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:So apparently supporting equal rights for women was deemed offensive to the photography team.
I for one think this is really freaking stupid and just demonstrates the extent of the anti-feminist propaganda that pervades our society.
But anyway what does General think?

Plenty of schools and other organizations have rules about political messages in official photos. I'm presuming that this fell under such an umbrella. Not sure how political the word "feminism" really is but I can't explain the school's decision.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:35 pm

Most schools have something against overly political shirts. The word feminist isn't offensive, but can be politically charged.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:48 pm

My feelings on 'feminism' are complex, but this kind of censorship is bullshit.

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Postby Mysterious Stranger » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:15 pm

1. This may fit the justification of "preventing disturbances" if feminism as a concept happens to be controversial in the school in question.
2. That's a bad justification in the first place.

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Postby Page » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:18 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:Most schools have something against overly political shirts. The word feminist isn't offensive, but can be politically charged.


If you're in a public school you should have a right to express a political message as a student. There were kids who wore shirts with anti-choice messages on them. I thought they were tools but I would never have advocated for censoring them.
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Postby The New American commonwealth » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:19 pm

Well...
Now I'm hating the idea of being from Ohio because of that stupidity.
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The New American commonwealth wrote:Well...
Now I'm hating the idea of being from Ohio because of that stupidity.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:25 pm

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Confederate Ramenia wrote:Most schools have something against overly political shirts. The word feminist isn't offensive, but can be politically charged.


If you're in a public school you should have a right to express a political message as a student. There were kids who wore shirts with anti-choice messages on them. I thought they were tools but I would never have advocated for censoring them.

Yeah, not saying I agree with them, but they have some justification.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:36 pm

Obviously not. But the reasoning behind it is probably "feminists think women are better than men," which is obviously not true. But I hope that was what they were thinking. Rather than "women aren't as good as men, so we can't let this girl represent this ideology."
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:04 pm

There is a few factions within me that basically ends up kind of results in me sort of getting it but with a headache inducing eyeroll.

There is the faction within me that thinks that too much credance is given to the idea that someone somewhere disagrees. This is not one of those pseudo-bravado about 'offense' but rather giving weight to shitty ideas just because people have them. I'll use a bloopy to demonstrate this in the hopes that it doesn't bog things down too much: Evolution. "Teach the controversy" is stupid because no one with any real knowledge of the subject subscribes to it. So just because there are people out there that don't 'believe' in evolution doesn't mean we should treat evolution as a controversial subject. Just that there are some people out there that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Similarly a gay person doing anything that would let someone figure out they were gay, like holding hands or talking about their partner isn't 'controversial' just because someone else has a stick up their ass about it.

This kind of shit.

Feminism, largely, falls into this category for me. It's kind of a no brainer. I don't really want to invite a protracted slog through the usual bullshit, I've been on NSG for over a decade (dear god...), I've read it. I can't stop you but I'll just pre-warn you, I don't give a shit. This really seems like a thing that's only 'controversial' or 'political' is because there is someone out there firmly stuck in the mud insisting it is.

However, that's the bullshit that we get to deal with today. And the school, which has to deal with the thousand or so (I went to a small school, maybe it's thousands...I don't know. I'm fucking old now, I've been out of school for, like...ever...) fucking kids and their expectations and their parents and the school boards and the policies that local state and federal governments...they just fucking want to get the kids educated given the parameters of the day. So this leads to the decisions that whoever the fuck is it covering the school beat reports and a group of people on the internet throw their hands up and say things like "PC gone mad!" and "Schools are run by morons!" They just keep erring on the side of abundance of caution based on whatever shark fin they think is the closest and hope whoever whines about it doesn't do it too loudly so they can get back to trying to educate the kids.

So...I kind of get it. They don't want political messages even if this is a softball one because they see some one the next week wearing...I don't know...some truly bullshit message going, "B-but you let that girl wear her feminism shirt. LIBERAL BIAS!" or some such nonsense.

It's the kind of decision an exasperated person makes.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:20 pm

Might have been a case of stating the obvious and people getting pissed.

I remember my high school pictures. They had cameras back then! The rule was simple. No printed words or pictures.

Feminism will offend some people. You see that here all the time.

The school probably just wanted to avoid the complications of the outrage of it being allowed in a school photo. Obviously librul bias and family value destructive.

There are simply too many people these days who want to be offended.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:11 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a result of propaganda that equates feminism with emasculation-happy amazons.
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Postby LOLAF » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:25 pm

It would make me infinitely happy if this particular topic was answered with 256 pages of simple "no".

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Postby Korouse » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:32 pm

to be quite honest, I would give that much of a damn either way.

it's just a shirt guys, get the fuck over it.
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Postby Central Mursia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:39 pm

The school had every right to do this. It's a political message, plain and simple. If other types of t shirts with political messages were banned, what makes this one a exception?
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Postby Aethrys » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:39 pm

It's exclusionary, sure, but not necessarily offensive. I mean, someone who's a very serious egalitarian could theoretically be offended by it, though that'd require quite a bit of ideological purity.
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:14 am

Really sounds like someone taking "offensive" entirely too broadly.

Most likely explanation is that the principal did not want to have parents calling her up about the fact that one of the kids seemed to be making a political statement, and knew "offensive" was a word she could use to justify censorship of things.

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Postby Bachmann America » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:23 am

No but feminism is offensive both to God and to me.

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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:27 am

Bachmann America wrote:No but feminism is offensive both to God and to me.

So let me get this straight. You are literally saying that God likes men more than women?
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:29 am

Has anybody ever said that the american schooling system sucks balls?
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Postby Bachmann America » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:29 am

Idzequitch wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:No but feminism is offensive both to God and to me.

So let me get this straight. You are literally saying that God likes men more than women?

Men and women have different roles and feminism denies this.

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Postby CTALNH » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:30 am

Bachmann America wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:So let me get this straight. You are literally saying that God likes men more than women?

Men and women have different roles and feminism denies this.

This is an entirely self defeating and stupid idea and you should really rethink it.
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Postby Paginista » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:34 am

The Black Forrest wrote:There are simply too many people these days who want to be offended.


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