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Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:31 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I don't understand.

How could we possibly know that the car would fall off the edge of the world if we go right?

The same way we know that we'd be killed if we don't kneel.

It's rigged.

if its so rigged, why do we have people picking both options and actually more people choosing to die?

Its not rigged.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:57 pm**

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:How could we possibly know that the car would fall off the edge of the world if we go right?

The same way we know that we'd be killed if we don't kneel.

It's rigged.

if its so rigged, why do we have people picking both options and actually more people choosing to die?

Its not rigged.

It's broken. The results aren't trustworthy, because the question and scenario are complete shit.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:03 pm**

Camicon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
if its so rigged, why do we have people picking both options and actually more people choosing to die?

Its not rigged.

It's broken. The results aren't trustworthy, because the question and scenario are complete shit.

No they make complete sense.

People just don't like it when I point out that there's nothing in the OP which says that the dictator will necessarily keep his word. But if they read the OP closely, they'll see that is the case.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:13 pm**

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Camicon wrote:It's broken. The results aren't trustworthy, because the question and scenario are complete shit.

No they make complete sense.

People just don't like it when I point out that there's nothing in the OP which says that the dictator will necessarily keep his word. But if they read the OP closely, they'll see that is the case.

No, people don't like it when you make thought-experiments purposefully vague so you can try to humiliate the people that disagree with you, and then shove your "honour before death" ethics down their throats.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:19 pm**

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:IE, in the former you're a dead man. In the latter there's a good chance chance you'll live to fight another day.

How did you come to the conclusion about the second part?

How are you so certain that the dictatorship will let you fight another day as opposed to doing the predictable thing of maximising its own benefit and security at your expense (sending you to die in a suicide battalion after maximising the political gains he can get from you from kneeling)?

Sending us in "suicide" battalions gives greater chance of escape. That is, assuming they put us in a penal battalion instead of a permanent division, which is equally likely.

BTW, if this is a scenario where we couldn't overthrow the dictator the first time, then the people generally don't care enough to try again if you play martyr.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:22 pm**

No you never give up you die trying to win and if you don't win in the end you let your sons and daughters do it til you win.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:31 pm**

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Camicon wrote:It's broken. The results aren't trustworthy, because the question and scenario are complete shit.

No they make complete sense.

People just don't like it when I point out that there's nothing in the OP which says that the dictator will necessarily keep his word. But if they read the OP closely, they'll see that is the case.

So explain how on one hand we're omniscient and know that we'll be killed if we don't kneel, but yet at the same time we don't know if the dictator will keep his word or not?

Either we know the outcome of both options, or we know the outcome of neither option. Otherwise, it's invalid.

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:33 pm**

I would Kneel and work hard to gain their trust, and then turn around and backstab the dictatorship and kill them

Posted: **Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:50 pm**

Elsa the Snow Queen wrote:I would Kneel and work hard to gain their trust, and then turn around and backstab the dictatorship and kill them

That is good strategy your majesty.

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