Christian Discussion Thread V

[Salus Maior]

He was a Priest in the book.

A priest can be an inquisitor, well could be. The inquisition isn't around anymore...officially

I hope for Catholicism's sake that it isn't.

[Diopolis]

A priest can be an inquisitor, well could be. The inquisition isn't around anymore...officially

I hope for Catholicism's sake that it isn't.

The congregation for the doctrine of the faith(yes, the one headed by Ratzinger before he became pope) is more of an internal affairs department than an inquisition nowadays.

[The Alexanderians]

I just finished to watch the "Hunchback of Notre Dame" with my little cousins and... Damn... This movie just is SO offensive! I usually spend most of my time watching movies adaptation complaining about they don't follow exactly the book (yeah I'm one of these guy ), which I could have done since it's also a spit on Hugo's tomb, but I was honestly more shocked by the film itself do even do that.
During the whole movie, Catholics are depicted as either false pious people only using religion to legitimate their actions like frollo; materialistics person praying for themselves and asking God for wealth and fame or just plain stupid people who follow blindly what the "hierarchy" said.
That being said, I still managed to enjoy one song during the movie which is "Infernal" (I think it's hellfire in english but I'm not sure)and which I do have to admit is indeed one of the best disney song.

I'm pretty sure people will fight to the death over whether "Hellfire" or "Poor unfortunate souls" is the greatest Disney villain song.

I prefer "Be prepared" honestly

[Luminesa]

I'm pretty sure people will fight to the death over whether "Hellfire" or "Poor unfortunate souls" is the greatest Disney villain song.

I prefer "Be prepared" honestly

"God Save The Outcasts"? Also...

FOR GLORY, GOD, AND GOLD, AND THE VIRGINIA COMPANY!!!

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AUGH!!!! What have I done?! It's stuck in my head...

[The Alexanderians]

I prefer "Be prepared" honestly

"God Save The Outcasts"? Also...

FOR GLORY, GOD, AND GOLD, AND THE VIRGINIA COMPANY!!!

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AUGH!!!! What have I done?! It's stuck in my head...

"God Save The Outcasts" isn't a villian song though but I'll admit that Ratcliffe's song was fantastic.

[Luminesa]

"God Save The Outcasts"? Also...

FOR GLORY, GOD, AND GOLD, AND THE VIRGINIA COMPANY!!!

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AUGH!!!! What have I done?! It's stuck in my head...

"God Save The Outcasts" isn't a villian song though but I'll admit that Ratcliffe's song was fantastic.

Oh, we're talking Villain songs?

I like "The Oogie Boogie Song", even if that's not Disney. Totally should have been longer than it was.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

My favorite villain song, not limited to Disney is "In the Dark of the Night"

[The Alexanderians]

My favorite villain song, not limited to Disney is "In the Dark of the Night"

I suggest we create a thread for Disney songs as they, with some exceptions, have little to do with Christianity.

Edit: Anastasia for the win, it's a Disney movie born out of wedlock.

[The Archregimancy]

Can I gently point out that you're all only really talking about Western Christianity here.

Eastern Christianity had been translating the Bible into the vernacular centuries before either Gutenberg or Luther; so these hypotheses about whether it was worth translating the Bible into other languages rather fail to take into account Biblical translations into Syriac, Armenian, Coptic, Ge'ez, Gothic, Arabic and Slavonic, among others.

I would think the real reasons for the failure to translate the Bible in the West for so long have far more to do with the prestige of Latin as the lingua franca of the West, and status as the sole Western liturgical language when compared to the far more liturgically polyglot East.

The west was translating works into vernacular long before those two as well. But they were mainly circulated among monestaries, not distributed to the public. There are many reasons why the Church tried to preserve the text, and it wasn't for the reasons Protestants try to make it out as.

You're perhaps misreading my post, Tarsonis.

I'm not talking about partial translations of individual parts of the Bible - after all, I've read Alfred the Great's translations of the Psalms in the original 9th-century Old English (as you do) - but rather formal Church-endorsed translations of both the entire Bible and the liturgy, so that both can be read/performed in the vernacular as part of the standard liturgical calendar.

There's no value judgement involved in noting that Eastern Christianity did this as standard practice centuries before Western Christianity did likewise. We can speculate over the reasons, but the basic observation about differing use of the vernacular remains a non-theological point of distinction between East and West for much of the period prior to the Reformation.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

My favorite villain song, not limited to Disney is "In the Dark of the Night"

I suggest we create a thread for Disney songs as they, with some exceptions, have little to do with Christianity.

Edit: Anastasia for the win, it's a Disney movie born out of wedlock.

I'm guessing that would go under F7?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I suggest we create a thread for Disney songs as they, with some exceptions, have little to do with Christianity.

Edit: Anastasia for the win, it's a Disney movie born out of wedlock.

I'm guessing that would go under F7?

Arts and Fiction, actually.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Before the gutenburg press, translating the bible was an impracticle endeavor considering that the bibles took a long time to painstakingly write, and added with the fact that most of the people highly illiterate. It was pointless and unavailing.
Of course that didnt mean that the Church didnt try. For instance, the Church had translated the bible in high and low german long before Luther did. The Church translated the bible in English before King James, in fact the KJV tried to copy the Douay Rheims New Testament.
The Church did condemn some vernacular bibles because they were considered bad translations, erroneous and anticatholic. The church also had bibles open up to the public, for those who were literate, they were of course chained up to deter theft (If i had to painstakingly write the bible to be used by the public, hell id chain it up too )
The protestants translating the bible in the vernacular was really useless considering how the average person was illiterate an relied heavily on their ministers and preachers to tell them what was in the bible. In other words: "Dégréiller St. Pierre pour gréiller St. Paul"

And for centuries, anyone in the West who could read likely did so mostly if not exclusively in Latin anyway. There really wasn't a need to translate it at that time.

[Diopolis]

Before the gutenburg press, translating the bible was an impracticle endeavor considering that the bibles took a long time to painstakingly write, and added with the fact that most of the people highly illiterate. It was pointless and unavailing.
Of course that didnt mean that the Church didnt try. For instance, the Church had translated the bible in high and low german long before Luther did. The Church translated the bible in English before King James, in fact the KJV tried to copy the Douay Rheims New Testament.
The Church did condemn some vernacular bibles because they were considered bad translations, erroneous and anticatholic. The church also had bibles open up to the public, for those who were literate, they were of course chained up to deter theft (If i had to painstakingly write the bible to be used by the public, hell id chain it up too )
The protestants translating the bible in the vernacular was really useless considering how the average person was illiterate an relied heavily on their ministers and preachers to tell them what was in the bible. In other words: "Dégréiller St. Pierre pour gréiller St. Paul"

And for centuries, anyone in the West who could read likely did so mostly if not exclusively in Latin anyway. There really wasn't a need to translate it at that time.

Indeed. Translation might have been counterproductive, as the number of people who could read in Latin but not in whatever vernacular they spoke would likely have been greater than the number of people who could read the vernacular but not Latin.

[Edwardsreal]

Study: Christian population in the Mideast is dropping rapidly

Studies show the remaining Christians in most - but not all - of the Middle East are in dire straits.

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The dire fate of the Christian communities in the Middle East has become headline news lately. The murderous civil war in Syria; the rise of the Islamic State; the turmoil in countries such as Iraq, Libya, and in North Africa; as well as the anti-Christian Islamic regimes in places such as Iran, where the Christian population has almost vanished - as in Turkey; have led to a mass exodus of Christians in the best case, and enslavement and genocide in the worst.

Christians now face the worst religious persecution in over a thousand years in the Middle East, reports Christianity Today, based on a study conducted by the Pew Research Center.

Last week the New York Times Magazine ran a major article detailing the plight of Christians in the Middle East, saying about a third of the 600,000 Syrian Christians have already fled, and only about a third of Iraq's 1.5 million Christians in 2003 remain today. The Times asks whether this is the end for the Christian community in the Middle East, and whether it has any future in the region of its birth.

"Christianity is under an existential threat," Anna Eshoo, a Democrat member of the US House of Representatives from California, and an advocate of Mideast Christians, told the Times.

A recent report from the British Guardian newspaper pointed out that the persecution of Christians started not with ISIS, but 10 years ago after the US- and British-led invasion of Iraq. Prior to the invasion, "under Saddam Hussein's rule, Christians in fact enjoyed what they now recall as a golden age. They were free to worship and played a full role in society. However, the removal of the dictator let loose an ugly Shia-Sunni power struggle," The Guardian wrote.

Israel, and at least for now Lebanon, are the only countries left in the Middle East where Christians have freedom to practice their religion and are safe from persecution. But the Lebanese Christian population has shrunken from 78 percent to only 34 percent over the last century.

Interestingly enough, the Pew report from April says the strict Islamic nations of the Gulf states, such as Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, are seeing an influx of Christians. But these are almost totally migrant workers from Asia, who often have very few rights and are supposedly only living there temporarily - and do not have full rights of freedom of religion.

"While emigration out of the Middle East and North Africa is projected to lower the share of Christians in countries such as Egypt, Iraq and Syria, the immigration of Christians into the GCC countries is expected to more than offset these departures for the region overall.

"Thus, migration is expected to slow the projected decline in the Christian share of the population in the Middle East-North Africa region. If migration were not factored into the 2050 projections, the estimated Christian share of the region’s population would drop below 3%. With migration factored in, however, the estimated Christian share is just above 3% (compared with nearly 4% as of 2010)," states the Pew report.

The report also forecasts that Muslims will outnumber Christians around the world sometime in the second half of this century.

[Othelos]

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Yeah, it's really unfortunate that people in the middle east (and other countries) are persecuted for being christian. I wish that could be easily fixed :/

[Herskerstad]

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Yeah, has been occurring for 1400 years. Probably won't stop any-time soon.

[The Flutterlands]

Herskerstad, I'm not sure if you're ignoring my Tgs because of something I've said or for some other reason, but I'm sorry if I have in fact said something that upsetted you.

[Herskerstad]

Herskerstad, I'm not sure if you're ignoring my Tgs because of something I've said or for some other reason, but I'm sorry if I have in fact said something that upsetted you.

Nothing of the sort. I generally get a lot of TG's from multiple people on theological matters and a few times they are quite extensive. Your oldest one is 22 hours. I request some patience and I will get to you soon enough. Don't worry, I rarely get upset over the views other hold or even objections, but seeking God is a matter of truth and truth must sometimes come before feelings, though one should not seek to give offence either way, not that you've given so.

[Unified Imperial States]

Hey there, fellow lost sheep. Just returned from Army Basic. Got to say, best experiences there were at church with the chaplains. What's new?

[Cannabis Islands]

Question for Roman Catholics: should be obese be excluded from the priesthood? Since gluttony is seen by many as a sign of greed and lack of self-control.

[Benuty]

Question for Roman Catholics: should be obese be excluded from the priesthood? Since gluttony is seen by many as a sign of greed and lack of self-control.

If one were to discount the biological factors of obesity then I could see why.

Ironically many diseases which cause obesity aren't covered by insurance since they are viewed as moral failure.

[Diopolis]

Question for Roman Catholics: should be obese be excluded from the priesthood? Since gluttony is seen by many as a sign of greed and lack of self-control.

No. Gluttony is not the only cause of obesity.

[Cannabis Islands]

Question for Roman Catholics: should be obese be excluded from the priesthood? Since gluttony is seen by many as a sign of greed and lack of self-control.

No. Gluttony is not the only cause of obesity.

But how can I take my moral inspiration from a man that can't practice self-control?

[Diopolis]

No. Gluttony is not the only cause of obesity.

But how can I take my moral inspiration from a man that can't practice self-control?

Gluttony is not the only cause of obesity.

[Cannabis Islands]

But how can I take my moral inspiration from a man that can't practice self-control?

Gluttony is not the only cause of obesity.

Okay. That does not answer my question. Why should I take my moral inspiration from a man that can't practice self-control.