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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:31 pmPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:33 pmWhen your church has to print a pamphlet saying 'why the Church of Christ is not a cult' you should admit to yourself that there might be a problem.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:35 pm*twirls staple gun* 
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:37 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:Yes, this is a Church of Christ thread. Yes, I want us to revive the Christianity of the bible. And, yes I am a member of a congregation which strives for biblical accuracy (And as far as I know, we do fairly well).
No, we are not a denomination (Although there are congregations who agree with each other on being biblical, so yes and no.). No, there is no "One Guy at the top" making the decisions in place of God.
And I will certainly not surrender to atheists, denominations, or "Progressive Christian" movements.
Are there any of my brothers and sisters in Christ who would like to comment? This is a general Christian discussion, so any subject is fine, as long as it's biblical.
For the past 500 years, countless iterations of Christianity have popped up claiming to be the revival of the "true" Church. I'll trust a Church that can actually trace its lineage back to Christ without break.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:38 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:Yes, this is a Church of Christ thread. Yes, I want us to revive the Christianity of the bible. And, yes I am a member of a congregation which strives for biblical accuracy (And as far as I know, we do fairly well).
No, we are not a denomination (Although there are congregations who agree with each other on being biblical, so yes and no.). No, there is no "One Guy at the top" making the decisions in place of God.
And I will certainly not surrender to atheists, denominations, or "Progressive Christian" movements.
Are there any of my brothers and sisters in Christ who would like to comment? This is a general Christian discussion, so any subject is fine, as long as it's biblical.
Aww heck, messed up. Please disregard. Tried to create a new thread. Didn't work
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:40 pmMorr wrote:Northern Freikur wrote:Yes, this is a Church of Christ thread. Yes, I want us to revive the Christianity of the bible. And, yes I am a member of a congregation which strives for biblical accuracy (And as far as I know, we do fairly well).
No, we are not a denomination (Although there are congregations who agree with each other on being biblical, so yes and no.). No, there is no "One Guy at the top" making the decisions in place of God.
And I will certainly not surrender to atheists, denominations, or "Progressive Christian" movements.
Are there any of my brothers and sisters in Christ who would like to comment? This is a general Christian discussion, so any subject is fine, as long as it's biblical.
For the past 500 years, countless iterations of Christianity have popped up claiming to be the revival of the "true" Church. I'll trust a Church that can actually trace its lineage back to Christ without break.
Actually, we are restored. There were other attempts at doing so, like the lutherans, But they didn't work out. We follow only what scripture says.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:40 pmRussels Orbiting Teapot wrote:When your church has to print a pamphlet saying 'why the Church of Christ is not a cult' you should admit to yourself that there might be a problem.
My congregation doesn't
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:42 pmI would like to ask everyone to do research on our organizational structure, You will learn why it is not a denomination, and why some congregations... well do the above.
Also, I don't want to need to explain the whole thing each time someone new logs on.
I mean this all with good respect...
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:50 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:Morr wrote:For the past 500 years, countless iterations of Christianity have popped up claiming to be the revival of the "true" Church. I'll trust a Church that can actually trace its lineage back to Christ without break.
Actually, we are restored. There were other attempts at doing so, like the lutherans, But they didn't work out. We follow only what scripture says.
Ah, so like Jehovah's Witnesses? Or Seventh Day Adventists?
You realize your premise is incorrect to begin with? The Church is not founded on Scripture, Scripture is an addendum to the Church? It was written for people who already were Christians to begin with. And you know what else? It wasn't Scripture that chose its own canon, it was the Church that decided which books, out of the countless to choose from, would be canon. Scriptural authority is based on the Church's authority, hence when things like the Gnostic Gospels aren't in it. Sola scriptura is pure modernism.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:51 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:No, there is no "One Guy at the top" making the decisions in place of God.
I mean, is there any Church that does? Like, i'm pretty sure the minority that do, at least don't attribute their decisions to themselves.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:51 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:Northern Freikur wrote:Yes, this is a Church of Christ thread. Yes, I want us to revive the Christianity of the bible. And, yes I am a member of a congregation which strives for biblical accuracy (And as far as I know, we do fairly well).
No, we are not a denomination (Although there are congregations who agree with each other on being biblical, so yes and no.). No, there is no "One Guy at the top" making the decisions in place of God.
And I will certainly not surrender to atheists, denominations, or "Progressive Christian" movements.
Are there any of my brothers and sisters in Christ who would like to comment? This is a general Christian discussion, so any subject is fine, as long as it's biblical.
Aww heck, messed up. Please disregard. Tried to create a new thread. Didn't work
It worked. I merged it.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:55 pmCan you give us the name of your congregation? There are many congregations that fit your vague description with varying amounts of beliefs.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:00 pmNorthern Freikur wrote:Actually, we are restored. There were other attempts at doing so, like the 1. lutherans, But they didn't work out. 2. We follow only what scripture says.
1. Based upon what?
2. Which scripture?
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:21 pmFor example: Christ is the completion of law, (a given - see Romans, Hebrews) which raises the question; is law superseded by grace, or is Old Testament law continued in its prior form? In your not-denomination's exegesis, of course.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:19 pmGim wrote:Morr wrote:Then you need to read the NT and see some of the things it says about Satan.
The Book of Job is a fable, a story. It's not some factual account of how the mechanics of Heaven works. God and Satan are literary characters in it, and it's about preserving through hardship (and early Christains had it harder than anyone else BECAUSE they were Christians), while discussing temporal justice in relation to God in philosophical dialogue.
Wait. Job isn't real?
I think the book is a parable, like what Jesus used, with the Good Samaritan and all that.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:19 pmLyras wrote:For example: Christ is the completion of law, (a given - see Romans, Hebrews) which raises the question; is law superseded by grace, or is Old Testament law continued in its prior form? In your not-denomination's exegesis, of course.
Hebrews 8:13
2 Corinthians 3:6
Romans 2:29
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 pmThis is a fairly orthodox theological viewpoint, aye. Job is allegory, broadly speaking. Authoritative, in its own way, but allegorical, meant to teach ethics, not history.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:22 pmPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:42 pmPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:47 pmNot as a Christian, no. And I'm pretty sure that the founding and early workings of the church are not what you'd put in parables.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:48 pmPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:53 pmI would. To me, Passover was a celebration of what was to come more than a celebration of what happened. Christ fulfilled the Passover, the prior stories and celebration were a herald of Christ's coming. All of the righteous Jews before Christ found salvation through Christ.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:26 pmMorr wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Eh, I wouldn't quit go that far.
I would. To me, Passover was a celebration of what was to come more than a celebration of what happened. Christ fulfilled the Passover, the prior stories and celebration were a herald of Christ's coming. All of the righteous Jews before Christ found salvation through Christ.
That doesn't seem very logical to say. I mean let's check out psalm 119, the longest chapter in the Bible. The Psalmist doesn't actually mention anything about Salvation through Christ but rather the benefits of the Law.
You can tout your believe that the righteous of the Old Testament had faith in Christ, but there is simply no logical evidence to support that fact.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:31 pmMenassa wrote:Morr wrote:I would. To me, Passover was a celebration of what was to come more than a celebration of what happened. Christ fulfilled the Passover, the prior stories and celebration were a herald of Christ's coming. All of the righteous Jews before Christ found salvation through Christ.
That doesn't seem very logical to say. I mean let's check out psalm 119, the longest chapter in the Bible. The Psalmist doesn't actually mention anything about Salvation through Christ but rather the benefits of the Law.
You can tout your believe that the righteous of the Old Testament had faith in Christ, but there is simply no logical evidence to support that fact.
Christ was the fulfillment of Law. Christ is God's Word made flesh.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:32 pmMorr wrote:Menassa wrote:That doesn't seem very logical to say. I mean let's check out psalm 119, the longest chapter in the Bible. The Psalmist doesn't actually mention anything about Salvation through Christ but rather the benefits of the Law.
You can tout your believe that the righteous of the Old Testament had faith in Christ, but there is simply no logical evidence to support that fact.
Christ was the fulfillment of Law. Christ is God's Word made flesh.
I do not believe there was anything the Law that needed fulfilling.