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Geilinor wrote:China doesn't have a large population growth forecast compared to Africa and the Middle East.

do you know what im talking about?

About the percentage of people not affiliated with a religion?
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:42 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:If China becomes top dog... then maybe China's unaffiliated majority will help us out?????????????????????

China doesn't have a large population growth forecast compared to Africa and the Middle East.

The one thing China does have in surplus are the large amount of eligible bachelors since there are more men than women (which is typically a very bad idea).
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:43 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:do you know what im talking about?

About the percentage of people not affiliated with a religion?

more that china has lots of people who arent religious and that if china becomes #1 then the values of irreligious chinese will probably have more influence
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Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:45 pm

Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

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I take it you burn a lot of candles?
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:47 pm

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Geilinor wrote:China doesn't have a large population growth forecast compared to Africa and the Middle East.

do you know what im talking about?


China's suffering from the fallout of the one child policy. They won't suffer a catastrophic population reduction, but they will suffer from an aging workforce combined with a strengthening standard of living that will reduce their ability to continue to be the world's cheap manufacturing spot. I believe I read a report that within a few years, it's expected to be cheaper to manufacture in the US than China, and several European nations have already exceeded their price spot. Combined with their massive real estate bubble, if China manages to make it to top dog, they won't be there for very long at all. In addition, it's expected that China will bleed off unaffiliateds due to that report. The only way the PRC will be top dog and stay that way is if you map out a specific set of present trends and project them decades into the future without allowing for the other trends and dangers that are likely to bring them back down.
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Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

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I take it you burn a lot of candles?


Well, I do enjoy candlelit sushi dinners, if you're interested. :>
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:49 pm

Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

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Postby Baiynistan » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:57 pm

I wonder if that'll mean that liberal democracies can finally start properly addressing the problems we face from Islamist jihadism without being held back by the fear of 'persecuting' minorities.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:00 pm

The amount of time between then and now is great enough that they would have to make so many assumptions about the states of affairs in the Muslim & Christian worlds that it would probably invalidate the findings.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:05 pm

Arumdaum wrote:It's interesting, and this is going to have global effects, although not necessarily bad ones. The global atmosphere will probably be more tolerant of Muslims, there will probably be a more diverse portrayal of Muslims, Muslims will probably have more influence on the world stage, global marketing campaigns will probably have to do more to appeal to Muslims, and so on.

This is what'll probably happen.

Baiynistan wrote:I wonder if that'll mean that liberal democracies can finally start properly addressing the problems we face from Islamist jihadism without being held back by the fear of 'persecuting' minorities.

Honestly, if our governments have some common sense (fingers crossed, guys), they'll get tired of this whole blow-people-up shit way before that and actually do something about it.

Also, is it just me, or is the most terrifying part of those figures that by 2050 the world's population will be 9.3 billion?
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Postby Saint Kitten » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:07 pm

I was hoping that we'd all be atheists by then... drat!
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:09 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:I was hoping that we'd all be atheists by then... drat!

Foiled again Lex.
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Atheism is an evil ideology that has brought about the deaths of millions of innocent people and needs to be stopped if we're ever going to progress as a species.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:17 pm

Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

Me? I worship sushi.


A Cthulhu cultist I see.
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Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

Me? I worship sushi.


A Cthulhu cultist I see.


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Cuckoobaloo wrote:Muslims will outnumber the Christians, Christians will outnumber the Buddhists, Buddhists will outnumber the Jews, Jews will outnumber the Rastafarians.

Me? I worship sushi.


A Cthulhu cultist I see.

In before references to certain types of pornographic material.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:20 pm

What matters far more than weather their are more Muslims is weather these Muslims are predominantly violent fundamentalists or willing to be in a diverse, democratic society, and weather predominantly non-Muslim cultures are willing to tolerate them and give them the chance to coexist equally.

That said, I am skeptical of such predictions. A lot can happen in 55 years. In the last 55 years, Communism went from a major global force to a few relatively weak countries unless you count China (I don't really count it). Homosexuality became openly accepted in much of the West. The War on Terror happened. The hippies rose and fell. And America went from the racial conflict of the 60s to its first black President. Among other things.

55 years is a long time.
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Postby Romalae » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:23 pm

Dracoria wrote:China's suffering from the fallout of the one child policy. They won't suffer a catastrophic population reduction, but they will suffer from an aging workforce combined with a strengthening standard of living that will reduce their ability to continue to be the world's cheap manufacturing spot.

True, but their population is indeed projected to decline (although not "catastrophically") beginning in the 2030s and reaching around 1 billion in 2100 (as opposed to about 1.3 billion presently). This is primarily because the expansive population cohort created during the Maoist era will die off in this period, leaving the smaller post-One Child Policy cohorts (the current total fertility rate in China is less than 1.7, whereas 2.1 is replacement level fertility).
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Postby Baiynistan » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:24 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:Honestly, if our governments have some common sense (fingers crossed, guys), they'll get tired of this whole blow-people-up shit way before that and actually do something about it.

Also, is it just me, or is the most terrifying part of those figures that by 2050 the world's population will be 9.3 billion?


Aye, not having a change in the Zeitgeist by then (damn the movie for colouring the word!) wouldn't be very constructive.

That population size is a little scary. Not that we'd run out of space, just vital resources if we don't invest in alternatives.

On universal atheism (if only), I wonder what the predictions for global non-belief will be by the same time. Last I checked, non-religious affiliation is still the fastest growing population compared with other religions.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:26 pm

Cuckoobaloo wrote:Atheism is an evil ideology that has brought about the deaths of millions of innocent people and needs to be stopped if we're ever going to progress as a species.

See? It works both ways. Now I'm off to see the Wizard.


I'm sensing a hyperbole in there, but if its not could you provide a source please?
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Sebtopiaris wrote:Also, is it just me, or is the most terrifying part of those figures that by 2050 the world's population will be 9.3 billion?

It is predicted that the world's population will level off at around 10 or 11 billion by the end of this century. It's inevitable and must be prepared for. I wouldn't say that it's terrifying; rather, it'll be a real challenge to ensure access to resources and food for the rapidly growing population in Sub-Saharan Africa.
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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:39 pm

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Sebtopiaris wrote:Honestly, if our governments have some common sense (fingers crossed, guys), they'll get tired of this whole blow-people-up shit way before that and actually do something about it.

Also, is it just me, or is the most terrifying part of those figures that by 2050 the world's population will be 9.3 billion?


Aye, not having a change in the Zeitgeist by then (damn the movie for colouring the word!) wouldn't be very constructive.

That population size is a little scary. Not that we'd run out of space, just vital resources if we don't invest in alternatives.

On universal atheism (if only), I wonder what the predictions for global non-belief will be by the same time. Last I checked, non-religious affiliation is still the fastest growing population compared with other religions.

It's one of the slower demographics, actually, since most tend to be in areas with low fertility rates.
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Postby Baiynistan » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Arumdaum wrote:It's one of the slower demographics, actually, since most tend to be in areas with low fertility rates.


D'oh! :(
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:20 pm

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Dracoria wrote:China's suffering from the fallout of the one child policy. They won't suffer a catastrophic population reduction, but they will suffer from an aging workforce combined with a strengthening standard of living that will reduce their ability to continue to be the world's cheap manufacturing spot.

True, but their population is indeed projected to decline (although not "catastrophically") beginning in the 2030s and reaching around 1 billion in 2100 (as opposed to about 1.3 billion presently). This is primarily because the expansive population cohort created during the Maoist era will die off in this period, leaving the smaller post-One Child Policy cohorts (the current total fertility rate in China is less than 1.7, whereas 2.1 is replacement level fertility).


I'm well aware of the situation there, trust me. You're not even getting into the sex ratio imbalance in China (not as bad as some would claim, but still not ideal). Considering the population density of the major cities, a reduction to 1 billion through natural causes could be described as an adjustment as much as anything, possibly for the better. The mess from the past couple generations needs to balance out, and without horrific methods, it'll take time and deaths from old age before the nation returns to something nearer a replacement rate and a healthy long-term prospect.

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Dracoria wrote:China's suffering from the fallout of the one child policy. They won't suffer a catastrophic population reduction, but they will suffer from an aging workforce combined with a strengthening standard of living that will reduce their ability to continue to be the world's cheap manufacturing spot.

True, but their population is indeed projected to decline (although not "catastrophically") beginning in the 2030s and reaching around 1 billion in 2100 (as opposed to about 1.3 billion presently). This is primarily because the expansive population cohort created during the Maoist era will die off in this period, leaving the smaller post-One Child Policy cohorts (the current total fertility rate in China is less than 1.7, whereas 2.1 is replacement level fertility).


The sad thing is, production of the food wouldn't be an issue. It isn't now. Distribution, however, especially in areas with massive government corruption, is a nightmare and will continue to be in the near future.
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