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Postby Alsheb » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:52 pm

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Well, those people are seriously deluded. Even if you're a Sunni, prefering IS or Al Qaeda over Hezbollah is pure madness.


No it isn't, al-Qaeda is less annoying than Has ebolla-h.


Either you're a troll who has way too much fun in it, or something is seriously wrong with you.

Al Qaeda less "annoying" than Hezbollah? Sure, because defending Lebanon from Israeli invasions is so much more annoying than, I don't know, flying a plane into the WTC towers, right?
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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:18 pm

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No it isn't, al-Qaeda is less annoying than Has ebolla-h.


Either you're a troll who has way too much fun in it, or something is seriously wrong with you.

Al Qaeda less "annoying" than Hezbollah? Sure, because defending Lebanon from Israeli invasions is so much more annoying than, I don't know, flying a plane into the WTC towers, right?


Hezbollah didn't "defend" Lebanon.

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Postby British Home Counties » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:25 pm

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No it isn't, al-Qaeda is less annoying than Has ebolla-h.


defending Lebanon


Alsheb wrote:you're a troll


Aim that at yourself.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:50 pm

Alsheb wrote:
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No it isn't, al-Qaeda is less annoying than Has ebolla-h.


Either you're a troll who has way too much fun in it, or something is seriously wrong with you.

Al Qaeda less "annoying" than Hezbollah? Sure, because defending Lebanon from Israeli invasions is so much more annoying than, I don't know, flying a plane into the WTC towers, right?
Well, the goal is maintaining regional power then yes, Al Qaeda is less annoying than Hezbollah. Miles more. Without any serious opposition from the internal factions and external forces other than Israel Hezbollah can specialize itself entirely for conflict with Israel, which it was in 2006. Contrast this with the PLO of 1982, which spent too much time training and fighting conventionally and semi-conventionally, had certain equipment that was only useful in that role, so when the invasion came they got pretty much streamrolled by the IDF.
As such, if you could get a sunni group to seriously threaten Hezbollah on its turf, you'd effectively change the balance of power in favour of Israel. It ain't gonna be Al Qaeda, but you can see the reasoning going on here.
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Postby Cyllea » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:20 pm

Alsheb wrote:Also, just see what a great coalition of "democracy" is fighting the Houthis:
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Bahrain
Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Sudan
Egypt
Morocco
Jordan

They really scraped from the very lowest of the barrel to get this coalition going. I don't think we've seen such a wonderful union of the backwards since the pro-apartheid coalition of the African Bush War.


wouldn't surprise me if mass insurrection broke out in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, all of which have large Shia minorities.

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Postby Alsheb » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:35 pm

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Alsheb wrote:Also, just see what a great coalition of "democracy" is fighting the Houthis:
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
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Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Sudan
Egypt
Morocco
Jordan

They really scraped from the very lowest of the barrel to get this coalition going. I don't think we've seen such a wonderful union of the backwards since the pro-apartheid coalition of the African Bush War.


wouldn't surprise me if mass insurrection broke out in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, all of which have large Shia minorities.


I sure hope so.
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Postby Alsheb » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:37 pm

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defending Lebanon


Alsheb wrote:you're a troll


Aim that at yourself.


It's called the 2006 war in Lebanon. Look it up.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:58 pm

Alsheb wrote:
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Aim that at yourself.


It's called the 2006 war in Lebanon. Look it up.
But it wasn't really "defending Lebanon" per se. It was defending its turf in Lebanon, while the actual Lebanese army and government institutions stayed largely out of the conflict, and the Israeli's showed no inclination to attack them.
I mean they did pretty good at defending their turf, but let's be real their turf was not and is still not the whole of Lebanon.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:14 pm

Cyllea wrote:
Alsheb wrote:Also, just see what a great coalition of "democracy" is fighting the Houthis:
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Bahrain
Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Sudan
Egypt
Morocco
Jordan

They really scraped from the very lowest of the barrel to get this coalition going. I don't think we've seen such a wonderful union of the backwards since the pro-apartheid coalition of the African Bush War.


wouldn't surprise me if mass insurrection broke out in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, all of which have large Shia minorities.


Bahrain has a Shia majority.
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Postby The South Polish Union » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:15 pm

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No I am not. I can understand why people in Yemen would side with them. In Tripoli, Lebanon there are many people.. not all but a good amount that would side with Jihadist because they view the government as puppet for Hezbollah, and Tripoli is a majority Sunni city.


Well, those people are seriously deluded. Even if you're a Sunni, prefering IS or Al Qaeda over Hezbollah is pure madness.

if i was a sunni, i'd take AQ over hizballah any day because AQ would at least not openly descriminate against me based to my religious sect (which in this hypothetical case would be the same as theirs, but still...) while hizballah would

now if i was shiite.....

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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:16 pm

Kubra wrote:
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It's called the 2006 war in Lebanon. Look it up.
But it wasn't really "defending Lebanon" per se. It was defending its turf in Lebanon, while the actual Lebanese army and government institutions stayed largely out of the conflict, and the Israeli's showed no inclination to attack them.
I mean they did pretty good at defending their turf, but let's be real their turf was not and is still not the whole of Lebanon.


Actually Hezbollah is defending Lebanon and its even better shown today in Syria where Hezbollah operates mainly along the border with Lebanon.
Though i agree that it isn't really about Lebanon, but Lebanon is where its interests are and Hezbollah will defend it at all costs for that matter.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:18 pm

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Well, those people are seriously deluded. Even if you're a Sunni, prefering IS or Al Qaeda over Hezbollah is pure madness.

if i was a sunni, i'd take AQ over hizballah any day because AQ would at least not openly descriminate against me based to my religious sect (which in this hypothetical case would be the same as theirs, but still...) while hizballah would

now if i was shiite.....


Hezbollah wouldn't actually... It even has a seperate militia for Christians and Sunni's.
Most Sunni's would take Hezbollah over Al-Qaeda simply becouse Hezbollah isn't as reckless and foolish as Al-Qaeda.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:29 pm

Hmm, it seems that alot of Yemeni forces have sided with the Houthi's, and that the Yemeni Airforce and the Yemeni Republican Guard are also under Houthi control...
Seems like Hadi has lost a fair amount of friends in his country.
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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:31 pm

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Kubra wrote: But it wasn't really "defending Lebanon" per se. It was defending its turf in Lebanon, while the actual Lebanese army and government institutions stayed largely out of the conflict, and the Israeli's showed no inclination to attack them.
I mean they did pretty good at defending their turf, but let's be real their turf was not and is still not the whole of Lebanon.


Actually Hezbollah is defending Lebanon and its even better shown today in Syria where Hezbollah operates mainly along the border with Lebanon.
Though i agree that it isn't really about Lebanon, but Lebanon is where its interests are and Hezbollah will defend it at all costs for that matter.


hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:33 pm

Another reason Saudi Arabia is Americas fave Muslim country...
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:43 pm

The Greater Lebanon wrote:
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Actually Hezbollah is defending Lebanon and its even better shown today in Syria where Hezbollah operates mainly along the border with Lebanon.
Though i agree that it isn't really about Lebanon, but Lebanon is where its interests are and Hezbollah will defend it at all costs for that matter.


hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.


No, Hezbollah is defending Lebanone becouse wether you want it or not, they are Lebanese in the first place. Aside from that it is its interest to keep others out of Lebanon.
Well, perhaps Lebanon should have faced the Israëli occupation then, that eventually was the main event where Hezbollah got its support from and still keeps its support with, they chased an agressor out of their country at a moment in which the government failed to do so.
I'm not saying that Hezbollah is great or anything, just saying that it does defend Lebanon just like it proved several times now while the Lebanese army fails to do that job.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:46 pm

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Actually Hezbollah is defending Lebanon and its even better shown today in Syria where Hezbollah operates mainly along the border with Lebanon.
Though i agree that it isn't really about Lebanon, but Lebanon is where its interests are and Hezbollah will defend it at all costs for that matter.


hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.
In case you forgot hezbollah actually beat israel.
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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:50 pm

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hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.


No, Hezbollah is defending Lebanone becouse wether you want it or not, they are Lebanese in the first place. Aside from that it is its interest to keep others out of Lebanon.
Well, perhaps Lebanon should have faced the Israëli occupation then, that eventually was the main event where Hezbollah got its support from and still keeps its support with, they chased an agressor out of their country at a moment in which the government failed to do so.
I'm not saying that Hezbollah is great or anything, just saying that it does defend Lebanon just like it proved several times now while the Lebanese army fails to do that job.


Again no they are not, yes they are Lebanese. Hezbollah and Nasrallah all came out against the million plus demonstrators in 2005 who called for the Syrian army to ends its occupation of Lebanon. Hezbollah is a proxy for Iran and an ally of Assad this is why they were vehmently ant-cedar revolution which the majority of people in Lebanon called for. Israeli occupation? Lebanon wants to maintain economic ties and stability with the other Arab states which is why we sent a few thousand troops to fight Israel in 1948. Israel could annex Lebanon if it wanted to with its army. In 1982 it wiped out every single form of resistance against its forces and the Syrian military on its way to Beirut. Lebanon should not be dragged into war. Its foreign powers that want to take advantage of this country and use it as a base to wage their political agendas. if Hezbollah trully wants the good for Lebanon they would give all their heavy weapons and equipment and put it at the disposal of the state and continue to be a political party. Then if Israel really wants to destroy Lebanon they can invade and this time all of Lebanon will fight them.

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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:51 pm

Kubra wrote:
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hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.
In case you forgot hezbollah actually beat israel.


from the mid 1980s-2000 hezbollah failed against the IDF and SLA. There were Shia and Druze fighting in the SLA against Hezbollah too. It was due to their pull out that Hezbollah moved in to take those positions. In 2006 I agree, Hezbollah caused a lot of casualties, but if the IDF invaded with 80,000 forces like it did in 1982 everything from the border to Hezbollahs south Beirut stronghold in Dahyieh would be crushed.
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Dain II Ironfoot wrote:Hmm, it seems that alot of Yemeni forces have sided with the Houthi's, and that the Yemeni Airforce and the Yemeni Republican Guard are also under Houthi control...
Seems like Hadi has lost a fair amount of friends in his country.


That'll be Saleh's doing. He's thrown his weight behind the Houthis and taken his party and much of the army with him.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:44 pm

Alsheb wrote:Also, just see what a great coalition of "democracy" is fighting the Houthis:
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Bahrain
Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Sudan
Egypt
Morocco
Jordan

They really scraped from the very lowest of the barrel to get this coalition going. I don't think we've seen such a wonderful union of the backwards since the pro-apartheid coalition of the African Bush War.

Yes, most of those countries are terrible, but the Middle East is in a big crisis.
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The South Polish Union wrote:if i was a sunni, i'd take AQ over hizballah any day because AQ would at least not openly descriminate against me based to my religious sect (which in this hypothetical case would be the same as theirs, but still...) while hizballah would

now if i was shiite.....


Hezbollah wouldn't actually... It even has a seperate militia for Christians and Sunni's.
Most Sunni's would take Hezbollah over Al-Qaeda simply becouse Hezbollah isn't as reckless and foolish as Al-Qaeda.


I'm going to just say this now, you're full of shit. No real Sunni who has an atom's weight of self respect would join Hizb'illah,Christians yes but seriously? Yes,yes we have all seen the Hizb'illah Nasheed showing the Maronite choir and the Sunni muftis and the water fall with Nasrallah's portrait well you know what that's propaganda. Only a minority of Sunnis support them. I have personally met 1 yeah that's right one out of the hundreds of people I know. Hizb'illah is a terrorist organization who supports and funds murder,rape,theft,and tyranny. What do you believe all of Nasrallah's barking on the joke of the Ashura "Anti-Tyranny" perades in Bayrut? Yeah well here is Nasrallah's hypocrisy he goes up to the podium and say's every speech "Allow me to speak as the [b]Shiite[b] this one time." and the crowd roars and than he says "Today is ashura where we take up after Hussien(RA) and fight tyranny therefore we are taking the side of Assad." that's his speech from when he pledged support to the Assad dictatorship. He even acknowledges Assad's dictatorship in an interview with RT I believe and proceeds to compare him with god by saying "I support just dictators such as Bashir Al-Assad, god is a just dictator as well so what's the difference." When he was asked about how he supported the Arab spring els where but not in Syria. And by the way if you think for a second the people of Yemen are running out for the Houthies your blind. People in Yemen are afraid of the Houthies and are ready to shed blood to stop them they are ready they are gathering weapons and arms to fight these Iranian terrorists who are no different than Hizb'illah or Badr or IRGC. Yemen will not stand for such terrorist to run a Sunni nation look at Syria and there are less Alawites than Zaydis in Yemen. So what the hell makes you think they will stand for this crap? In Syria the Shiites run the 80% Sunni nation and they are committing systematic genocide against the Sunnis and the Kurds and non-government supporters the only Sunnis who support Assad are bribed sleezy "clerics".
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hezbollah is not defending lebanon. That isn't its job. Its actively makes Lebanon as a base for Iran to spread its power in the region. Remember Lebanon never fights Israel militarily because we understand that one, we want to live in peace and two because its impossible to beat them. Before groups like PLO, Hezbollah ect.. started taking advantage of Lebanon and using it as a base to attack Israel, Lebanon enjoyed peace stability and great economic prosperity. The Lebanese army should be supplied and supported with better weapons and tech and close down the border. There should be only 1 army and that is the Lebanese army.


No, Hezbollah is defending Lebanone becouse wether you want it or not, they are Lebanese in the first place. Aside from that it is its interest to keep others out of Lebanon.
Well, perhaps Lebanon should have faced the Israëli occupation then, that eventually was the main event where Hezbollah got its support from and still keeps its support with, they chased an agressor out of their country at a moment in which the government failed to do so.
I'm not saying that Hezbollah is great or anything, just saying that it does defend Lebanon just like it proved several times now while the Lebanese army fails to do that job.


Yeah? Well if there sole duty is defending Lebanon they should GTFO of Syria that's why they where attacked by the FSA in the first place for smuggling IRGC and arms to Assad's forces.
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Postby Alsheb » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:01 am

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Well, those people are seriously deluded. Even if you're a Sunni, prefering IS or Al Qaeda over Hezbollah is pure madness.

if i was a sunni, i'd take AQ over hizballah any day because AQ would at least not openly descriminate against me based to my religious sect (which in this hypothetical case would be the same as theirs, but still...) while hizballah would

now if i was shiite.....


That's absolutely not true. Hezbollah may be a Shia movement, but they're far from discriminatory against non-Shias.
When I say you have to be deluded as a Sunni to prefer AQ over Hezbollah, I do also speak partially from my own situation. While I'm not 100% Sunni, since I don't accept the Hadiths but only the Quran as having religious authority, I don't agree with the Shia interpretation of Islam.

However, considering the facts, I absolutely and undoubtedly support Hezbollah and its work, and reject Al Qaeda as the takfiri terrorist group they are.

Saying that AQ does not discriminate against other Sunnis is simply wrong. Not only to they discriminate, they even massacre fellow Sunnis in their terrorist campaigns.
Anti-Revisionist Marxist-Leninist and Zaydi Muslim Pan-Islamist
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Freedom is nothing but a vain phantom when one class of men can starve another with impunity. Equality is nothing but a vain phantom when the rich, through monopoly, exercise the right of life or death over their like.
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