Hopes for a Palestinian State?

[Jamzmania]

No, the land of Israel has always been and should remain Jewish land.

Why should we be prioritising terrorist anti-Semites over the Kurds anyway?

There is no "Christian Land". There is no "Muslim Land". Why do the Jews get a "Land"? What makes land exclusively for Jews? Religion is between a person and his/her God (if they believe in a higher power). If a religion can have a country, why can't the more than 8 million who have been driven from their homes or killed have a country? Saying Israel is "Jewish Land" implies discrimination and hatred towards all others. You can't tell me that ANY land is exclusive to ANY religion. Sounds a lot like Hitler if you ask me.

Furthermore, Judaism has not been around since the dawn of time, so you can't state that "Israel has always been... Jewish land".

One last thrashing from a person with an IQ that's more than 2 digits: Hamas, Fatah and other resistance groups are not anti-Semitic. In fact, if you read a history book, you will find that the Arab culture is classified as "Semitic". These groups exist to stop the development of Israeli settlements, an act that is illegal under international law, and was renounced by Israel under the Oslo Accords. As soon as Israel violated those accords by building settlements, Palestinians had just as much right to disregard the Accords themselves.

Good day to you, Sir (or Mam, I have no idea )

Hamas's founding charter quite clearly calls for the destruction of Israel and the massacre of the Jews.

And there's a nice snippet from their charter (Part I, Article 7):

nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

[Angleter]

No, the land of Israel has always been and should remain Jewish land.

Why should we be prioritising terrorist anti-Semites over the Kurds anyway?

There is no "Christian Land". There is no "Muslim Land". Why do the Jews get a "Land"? What makes land exclusively for Jews? Religion is between a person and his/her God (if they believe in a higher power). If a religion can have a country, why can't the more than 8 million who have been driven from their homes or killed have a country? Saying Israel is "Jewish Land" implies discrimination and hatred towards all others. You can't tell me that ANY land is exclusive to ANY religion. Sounds a lot like Hitler if you ask me.

Furthermore, Judaism has not been around since the dawn of time, so you can't state that "Israel has always been... Jewish land".

One last thrashing from a person with an IQ that's more than 2 digits: Hamas, Fatah and other resistance groups are not anti-Semitic. In fact, if you read a history book, you will find that the Arab culture is classified as "Semitic". These groups exist to stop the development of Israeli settlements, an act that is illegal under international law, and was renounced by Israel under the Oslo Accords. As soon as Israel violated those accords by building settlements, Palestinians had just as much right to disregard the Accords themselves.

Good day to you, Sir (or Mam, I have no idea )

Jewishness is a nationality as well as a religion, and the two do not necessarily go hand-in-hand. Israel calls itself a Jewish nation-state in the same sense that, well, the PA calls itself an Arab nation-state. Hitler, for his part, did not advocate a religious state. Hamas' charter is openly anti-Semitic. Fatah is led by someone who believes the Zionist movement was partly responsible for the Holocaust and has argued that the Zionists then inflated the number killed in the Holocaust in order to milk the sympathy of the rest of the world. That Arabs are linguistically (it has nothing to do with 'a history book') classified as Semitic has nothing to do with the fact that 'anti-Semitism' refers to, and was specifically coined to refer to, bigotry against Jews. Israel did not renounce the settlements in either Oslo I nor Oslo II - but Oslo II does give Israel responsibility for the settlements and their security and defers the issue of their status until a final status agreement (and in any case, both sides have accused the other of breaching Oslo numerous times).

If you're going to smugly patronise people and insult their intelligence, at least be right.

[Insaeldor]

Consitering Marxist groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine it silly for hardline communist to support a party that they would otherwise despise.

I don't support or particularly like Hamas. In fact, I despise the Muslim Brotherhood they are internationally aligned with. I just think it's highly hypocritical to maintain a position of "Palestine, but without Hamas", while Hamas is obviously very popular in Palestine, in terms of support and electoral succes.
It's frankly offensive and highly arrogant to be deciding from ones armchair in the First World that Hamas should be left out of any peace deal, simply because of allegations of them being "terrorist". That designation is frankly stupid to use against Hamas alone, since one could just as easily denounce Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" organisations.

But Hamas has stated its not interested in peace, it's a terrorist organization dedicated to the distruction of Israel and the Jewish people they have said it countless times. The fact is you can't have a peace process with a group that is dedicated to something that is unjust and inhumain. I'd have a little bit more leeway if they we not an armed terrorist organization and simply a loud mouthed political party but they are not.

I don't believe you can have a sustained peace between the Arabs and the Israelis as long as Hamas is an armed militant organization.

[Alsheb]

I don't support or particularly like Hamas. In fact, I despise the Muslim Brotherhood they are internationally aligned with. I just think it's highly hypocritical to maintain a position of "Palestine, but without Hamas", while Hamas is obviously very popular in Palestine, in terms of support and electoral succes.
It's frankly offensive and highly arrogant to be deciding from ones armchair in the First World that Hamas should be left out of any peace deal, simply because of allegations of them being "terrorist". That designation is frankly stupid to use against Hamas alone, since one could just as easily denounce Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" organisations.

But Hamas has stated its not interested in peace, it's a terrorist organization dedicated to the distruction of Israel and the Jewish people they have said it countless times. The fact is you can't have a peace process with a group that is dedicated to something that is unjust and inhumain. I'd have a little bit more leeway if they we not an armed terrorist organization and simply a loud mouthed political party but they are not.

I don't believe you can have a sustained peace between the Arabs and the Israelis as long as Hamas is an armed militant organization.

As I said, you can label Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" just as easily. All of them have military wings that wage armed resistance against the zionist entity. They strive towards the dismantlement of Israel, that is true. But again, the PFLP and DFLP want that too. "Destroying" the zionist State of Israel as an institution doesn't mean that they want to burn down the country and massacre the population. In fact that would be very stupid since they need that country for the establishment of Palestine. Dismantling the State of Israel doesn't mean massacring the Jewish people. It means getting rid of the zionist entity that currently exists on the territory of Palestine.

[Teemant]

But Hamas has stated its not interested in peace, it's a terrorist organization dedicated to the distruction of Israel and the Jewish people they have said it countless times. The fact is you can't have a peace process with a group that is dedicated to something that is unjust and inhumain. I'd have a little bit more leeway if they we not an armed terrorist organization and simply a loud mouthed political party but they are not.

I don't believe you can have a sustained peace between the Arabs and the Israelis as long as Hamas is an armed militant organization.

As I said, you can label Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" just as easily. All of them have military wings that wage armed resistance against the zionist entity. They strive towards the dismantlement of Israel, that is true. But again, the PFLP and DFLP want that too. "Destroying" the zionist State of Israel as an institution doesn't mean that they want to burn down the country and massacre the population. In fact that would be very stupid since they need that country for the establishment of Palestine. Dismantling the State of Israel doesn't mean massacring the Jewish people. It means getting rid of the zionist entity that currently exists on the territory of Palestine.

What? So extremists who say they want to destroy Israel actually don't want to destroy Israel? Logic is strong with this one.

[Laanvia]

But Hamas has stated its not interested in peace, it's a terrorist organization dedicated to the distruction of Israel and the Jewish people they have said it countless times. The fact is you can't have a peace process with a group that is dedicated to something that is unjust and inhumain. I'd have a little bit more leeway if they we not an armed terrorist organization and simply a loud mouthed political party but they are not.

I don't believe you can have a sustained peace between the Arabs and the Israelis as long as Hamas is an armed militant organization.

As I said, you can label Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" just as easily. All of them have military wings that wage armed resistance against the zionist entity. They strive towards the dismantlement of Israel, that is true. But again, the PFLP and DFLP want that too. "Destroying" the zionist State of Israel as an institution doesn't mean that they want to burn down the country and massacre the population. In fact that would be very stupid since they need that country for the establishment of Palestine. Dismantling the State of Israel doesn't mean massacring the Jewish people. It means getting rid of the zionist entity that currently exists on the territory of Palestine.

Did you just utter the words "Zionist Entity"? Really? Really?


You aren't making sense either. You're rambling.

[Insaeldor]

But Hamas has stated its not interested in peace, it's a terrorist organization dedicated to the distruction of Israel and the Jewish people they have said it countless times. The fact is you can't have a peace process with a group that is dedicated to something that is unjust and inhumain. I'd have a little bit more leeway if they we not an armed terrorist organization and simply a loud mouthed political party but they are not.

I don't believe you can have a sustained peace between the Arabs and the Israelis as long as Hamas is an armed militant organization.

As I said, you can label Fatah, the PFLP and the DFLP as "terrorist" just as easily. All of them have military wings that wage armed resistance against the zionist entity. They strive towards the dismantlement of Israel, that is true. But again, the PFLP and DFLP want that too. "Destroying" the zionist State of Israel as an institution doesn't mean that they want to burn down the country and massacre the population. In fact that would be very stupid since they need that country for the establishment of Palestine. Dismantling the State of Israel doesn't mean massacring the Jewish people. It means getting rid of the zionist entity that currently exists on the territory of Palestine.

Hamas actions are no more about the end of the "Zionist entity" then that are about killing Jews. Fatah hasn't been a designated terrorist entity since it renounced terrorism in the late 1980's. Not to mention the goals of the PFLP and DFLP are far more based on the idea of Palestinian nationalism rather than anti-israeli terrorism.

[Benian Republic]

The Palestinians have the right to kill any and all invaders on their land.

[British Home Counties]

The Palestinians have the right to kill any and all invaders on their land.

And Israel have the right to conduct pre-emptive strikes to prevent that from happening.

This is the 10th time you say the exact same thing on the thread, no one cares, stop attention seeking