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Srsly....

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/uc-irvine-students-vote-to-remove-american-flag-from-campus-lobby/

Students at UC Irvine have voted for a more “inclusive space” by banning the American flag on part of the campus.
Under resolution R50-70 passed Thursday, the Associated Students of UCI voted to remove all flags, including Old Glory, from a student government work room on campus, according to the Associated Students website.

A portion of the resolution reads: “(F)lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality and democracy.”

Authored by student Matthew Guevara, the resolution goes on to state that since “the American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism,” its display “does not express only selective aspects of its symbolism but the entire spectrum of its interpretation.”

This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history. I understand these students' points that the U.S. is guilty of several horrible crimes over the years (slavery, segregation, imperialism, drug war, etc., not that those are uniquely American to begin with), but it is the United States Constitution that gives these kids the right to say what they want, express how they feel, and live safely in a first-world nation.

I say this not as some faux-patriot sissy but as a decent American that our flag should be flown with pride as it represents, in my opinion, equality, individual liberty, and the voluntary and open exchange of ideas and goods. No we are not perfect, but what country is? And what other country has university students that would bring down their own homeland for the sake of political correctness? You've got to figure that if immigrants are living in America, they are damn well pleased with how it treats them. It seems that only in America that we nitpick at non-existent issues to make everyone "feel included". I don't understand it. If these (public school) kids are so disgusted with the display of American memorabilia in their school, I highly suggest they ought to cut the funding they receive from the republic which the flag stands for.

Thoughts?

It does say part of the campus, not all of it.

Just to point that out.

“(F)lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality and democracy.”
They're just trying to be edgy, the American flag represents nothing of the sort.

They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

You immigrate to America to become an American, no? Therefore, you fly an American flag. You don't go to America to not be an American, unless you're a tourist, in which case why the hell are you attending a college?

Ikania wrote:You immigrate to America to become an American, no? Therefore, you fly an American flag. You don't go to America to not be an American, unless you're a tourist, in which case why the hell are you attending a college?

Is flying the flag mandatory now?

A non-issue.

Kind of a worthless, needlessly edgy move on the part of the students, and a great opportunity for some conservatives to use this as an example of what they consider to be liberal anti-Americanness.

Move along.

Unity or death

The penalty for any and all traitors is death. Such disgusting behavior as this should never be tolerated and must be met with nothing but force as is the right of the state.

Fuck you, liberal part of California.

Agreed this is BS big time

Marcurix wrote:

Ikania wrote:You immigrate to America to become an American, no? Therefore, you fly an American flag. You don't go to America to not be an American, unless you're a tourist, in which case why the hell are you attending a college?

Is flying the flag mandatory now?

Not everywhere, but if you're gonna fly a flag at a public university then it's a good idea for it to be American.

Oneracon wrote:They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

They banned it from the campus lobby, which is the central part of the campus.

OP needs to change the title. This is one room.

Ikania wrote:

Marcurix wrote:
Is flying the flag mandatory now?

Not everywhere, but if you're gonna fly a flag at a public university then it's a good idea for it to be American.

They aren't flying any flags in the one room in question.

It's a stupid idea, but not really actionable.

God I live in Cali and all you see for miles are Liberals I would say about 7%-1% Of Cali isn't liberal.

Geilinor wrote:OP needs to change the title. This is one room.

Fixed

so by campus we mean part of campus and by part of campus we mean the student government effectively separate and subservient to the non-affected college administration voted democratically to remove it from a student government work room which is entirely within their rights and does not necessarily impact the rest of the campus and oh christ theses stories are never actually true or anywhere near as big as they initially presented. have you ever noticed that?

Sheltopolis wrote:

Oneracon wrote:They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

They banned it from the campus lobby, which is the central part of the campus.

That's not what the article says. It was neither banned nor related to the campus lobby.

Sheltopolis wrote:Srsly....

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/uc-irvine-students-vote-to-remove-american-flag-from-campus-lobby/

Students at UC Irvine have voted for a more “inclusive space” by banning the American flag on part of the campus.
Under resolution R50-70 passed Thursday, the Associated Students of UCI voted to remove all flags, including Old Glory, from a student government work room on campus, according to the Associated Students website.

class-A+ retarded move

good job

standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history.

Unless it is about not flying the US flag, in which case it's those filthy liberals spitting on everything white Americans have done all over America to save those black people from oppression and segregation (You cited the civil rights movement as a great achievement by America), what white Americans did in the UK to bring about the Industrial Revolution (the fuck are you talking about crediting that one to the USA?), and America's stance as a great bastion of free market enterprise, funneling money to the USA from the developing world and undermining the sovereignty of literally every nation that can't fight back (Bhopal, Shell in Nigeria, TPP, etc. etc. etc.).

This proposal was authored by Matthew GUEVERA.
As people with the last name Guevara have been involved in mass killings and the infringement of human rights, not to mention the popularization and spread of militaristic dictatorship, I don't think his proposal should be allowed in the Student Council room nor acted upon. Since doing so could be viewed as an endorsement of such activities, or a noncontention with them that is antithetical to the ideas of life, liberty, and freedom.

And to this, I say whatever, because it's one room

Revin wrote:God I live in Cali and all you see for miles are Liberals I would say about 7%-1% Of Cali isn't liberal.

Good luck on making more generalizations. Lord knows you'll need them.

Ikania wrote:

Marcurix wrote:
Is flying the flag mandatory now?

Not everywhere, but if you're gonna fly a flag at a public university then it's a good idea for it to be American.

actually it appears they want to avoid flying the flag of any nation

not that they can fly a flag inside one room

Occupied Deutschland wrote:This proposal was authored by Matthew GUEVERA.
As people with the last name Guevara have been involved in mass killings and the infringement of human rights, not to mention the popularization and spread of militaristic dictatorship, I don't think his proposal should be allowed in the Student Council room nor acted upon. Since doing so could be viewed as an endorsement of such activities, or a noncontention with them that is antithetical to the ideas of life, liberty, and freedom.

I share my name with a cricket player, but I suck at cricket. Pretty sure Matthew's never committed genocide.