Lichtenstein "Meg-a-thread"

[MERIZoC]

Thing is, this thread isn't about Swaziland. The whole "well, something else is worse, so this doesn't matter" argument is a load of shit.

I'll take it that you ignored the rest of my post because you don't have any decent counterarguments.

Why is it, I wonder, that left-wing republicans are unable to tolerate the idea of even a tiny alpine country with a population of around 37,000 souls being run in a way that is different to their ideals, even if the people of that country are content? I mean, I have my views and all, but even I wouldn't object to the Republic of San Marino or Singapore remaining a republic in my wildest monarchist fantasy world.

I didn't reply to the rest of your post because there was nothing to reply to but strawmen and bandwagon arguments.

When did I say I couldn't "tolerate" it? I'm saying that I don't agree with the way it's run. Your misrepresentation of my argument will get you nowhere.

[Baltenstein]

Actually, there should be an apocalyptic ideological war between the Republican forces of San Marino, and the Imperial troops of Liechtenstein. Northern Italy will be the battle ground.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'll take it that you ignored the rest of my post because you don't have any decent counterarguments.

Why is it, I wonder, that left-wing republicans are unable to tolerate the idea of even a tiny alpine country with a population of around 37,000 souls being run in a way that is different to their ideals, even if the people of that country are content? I mean, I have my views and all, but even I wouldn't object to the Republic of San Marino or Singapore remaining a republic in my wildest monarchist fantasy world.

I didn't reply to the rest of your post because there was nothing to reply to but strawmen and bandwagon arguments.

When did I say I couldn't "tolerate" it? I'm saying that I don't agree with the way it's run. Your misrepresentation of my argument will get you nowhere.

Ah, yes, dismissing opposing arguments as "strawmen and bandwagons." The favourite tactic of the NSG left-wing elite.

[MERIZoC]

I didn't reply to the rest of your post because there was nothing to reply to but strawmen and bandwagon arguments.

When did I say I couldn't "tolerate" it? I'm saying that I don't agree with the way it's run. Your misrepresentation of my argument will get you nowhere.

Ah, yes, dismissing opposing arguments as "strawmen and bandwagons." The favourite tactic of the NSG left-wing elite.

Sorry if you don't think using correct logic is important. Can't help you there. Though I can't help but laugh at being called an elitist by a monarchist.

[Old Tyrannia]

Ah, yes, dismissing opposing arguments as "strawmen and bandwagons." The favourite tactic of the NSG left-wing elite.

Sorry if you don't think using correct logic is important. Can't help you there. Though I can't help but laugh at being called an elitist by a monarchist.

Now who's attacking a strawman? I don't think logic is unimportant. I think my arguments are perfectly logical, it's you who are claiming they are not whilst making no active attempt to refute them. Dismissing my arguments as strawmen without bothering to show why they are strawmen is not good debating. And whilst I have no problem with elitism, I do despise hypocrisy, and left-wing elitism is exactly that.

[MERIZoC]

Sorry if you don't think using correct logic is important. Can't help you there. Though I can't help but laugh at being called an elitist by a monarchist.

Now who's attacking a strawman? I don't think logic is unimportant. I think my arguments are perfectly logical, it's you who are claiming they are not whilst making no active attempt to refute them. Dismissing my arguments as strawmen without bothering to show why they are strawmen is not good debating. And whilst I have no problem with elitism, I do despise hypocrisy, and left-wing elitism is exactly that.

Look, if you want to make actual points, go ahead. But here, I can show you your fallacies.

So basically, it comes down to your belief that you know how Liechtenstein should be run better than the people of Liechtenstein do?

This argument boils down to "a majority of Liechtensteiners are in favor of the monarchy, therefore, it's good".

They are hardly being repressed by an evil despot.

I never claimed this.

[Benian Republic]

It would be cool to live in Liechtenstein.

[Old Tyrannia]

Now who's attacking a strawman? I don't think logic is unimportant. I think my arguments are perfectly logical, it's you who are claiming they are not whilst making no active attempt to refute them. Dismissing my arguments as strawmen without bothering to show why they are strawmen is not good debating. And whilst I have no problem with elitism, I do despise hypocrisy, and left-wing elitism is exactly that.

Look, if you want to make actual points, go ahead. But here, I can show you your fallacies.

Thank you for making an effort to engage in debate.

So basically, it comes down to your belief that you know how Liechtenstein should be run better than the people of Liechtenstein do?

This argument boils down to "a majority of Liechtensteiners are in favor of the monarchy, therefore, it's good".

No, it's an argument that you shouldn't criticise a country that you know little about. The fact that a majority of people living in Liechtenstein are comfortable with the status quo in spite of the fact that the rest of the world disagrees with them should be some indication that it is not all that bad. What's more, in light of this your initial statement that you "feel sorry" for the people of Liechtenstein is extremely bizarre. Why feel sorry for a contented people? You might dislike the way they've chosen to govern themselves, but you can hardly pity them when they're quite happy themselves.

They are hardly being repressed by an evil despot.

I never claimed this.

I'm sorry if you think I was implying you did. What I meant to convey was the idea that the people of Liechtenstein have the option to live under a monarchy or not to do so, so 1) the monarchy is not without a degree of democratic legitimacy, and 2) again, there's no need to feel sorry for Liechtensteiners.

In conclusion, I do not believe I have presented any fallacious arguments.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I have a domain name from Liechtenstein, and I cannot see how the country is controversial: in my opinion I see it as a typical European monarchy with a parliament, like many other contemporary countries. One of the reasons they don't make the news often is because they're very stable and most of the people are fine with their livelihoods. In fact:

- Their press freedom score with Freedom House is not too bad: being at 14/100 since 2006, whereas ours have fallen from 19/100 in 2006 to 24/100 in 2014 (100/100 is the worst). (source: https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom ... om-numbers)
- Like Taiwan and Singapore, they have no external debt to deal with (source: http://mentalfloss.com/article/28473/de ... -its-means), meaning that they didn't have to put up with "austerity measures".

Overall, there could be some improvements (such as promoting the country as a leisure destination and making press freedom and civil rights even better to make other countries envy them), but I can't see any serious changes, apart from the fact that I should be having tea with Hans Adam II, when he's ready.

[Benuty]

I didn't reply to the rest of your post because there was nothing to reply to but strawmen and bandwagon arguments.

When did I say I couldn't "tolerate" it? I'm saying that I don't agree with the way it's run. Your misrepresentation of my argument will get you nowhere.

Ah, yes, dismissing opposing arguments as "strawmen and bandwagons." The favourite tactic of the NSG left-wing elite.

Left wing elite? What is this 1960s Mexico City?

[Alyakia]

can i be a part of the NSG left-wing elite even if i kinda like constitutional monarchy

[Diopolis]

They seem to have their heads screwed on straight. It's a pity about the tax evaders, but, well, a government needs money to protect and care for its citizens.

[Old Tyrannia]

can i be a part of the NSG left-wing elite even if i kinda like constitutional monarchy

Welp, I wish I'd taken a moment to calm down and think before I made that comment. Something tells me I'm going to get no end of shit for it.

[Sebtopiaris]

'Merica!
why the fuck do you want to invade them? They're backwards fucks, but that's no reason to glomp their country unless they want to blanda up with Germany or something, in which case Austria should be allowed to join in.

[Sebtopiaris]

can i be a part of the NSG left-wing elite even if i kinda like constitutional monarchy

Here in Seb's head, noone gives a fuck if you agree with us or not. You have a right to have your own opinions, so say them, because I'm a curious beetle.

[Geilinor]

Where's Lichtenstein? I think you mean Liechtenstein. And by the way, while Liechtenstein does have an executive monarchy, they also elect a parliament.

[Italios]

They're so tiny, maybe the should combine with Monaco to form a slightly larger country. By they'd have to b separated, like Azerbaijan or East Timor...

[Oneracon]

They seem to have their heads screwed on straight. It's a pity about the tax evaders, but, well, a government needs money to protect and care for its citizens.

It is the only country with more registered corporations than people.

[Geilinor]

They seem to have their heads screwed on straight. It's a pity about the tax evaders, but, well, a government needs money to protect and care for its citizens.

It is the only country with more registered corporations than people.

That's part of the reason it became not poor and agricultural. There isn't much else for a country of 37,000 to do.

[Oneracon]

It is the only country with more registered corporations than people.

That's part of the reason it became not poor and agricultural. There isn't much else for a country of 37,000 to do.

They did also gain some benefit earlier when they were affiliated with Austria-Hungary prior to WWI, and after their customs union with Switzerland in the 1940s.

[Herrebrugh]

What the hell is Lichtenstein?

[Krasny-Volny]

Highest standard of living in Europe, narrowly beat out Vienna and Monaco.

Doesn't sound like a backwards country to me.

[Oneracon]

What the hell is Lichtenstein?

A nation located between Austria and Switzerland that enjoys a strong economy due it having a population specialized in necromancy. Not to be confused with it's neighbour Liechtenstein.

[Herrebrugh]

What the hell is Lichtenstein?

A nation located between Austria and Switzerland that enjoys a strong economy due it having a population specialized in necromancy. Not to be confused with it's neighbour Liechtenstein.

Is this some kind of weird reference I'm not getting?

[Krasny-Volny]

That's part of the reason it became not poor and agricultural. There isn't much else for a country of 37,000 to do.

They did also gain some benefit earlier when they were affiliated with Austria-Hungary prior to WWI, and after their customs union with Switzerland in the 1940s.

The place was the hub of medieval armour sales back in the post-war era. Liechtenstein's collection of Western type fourteenth century armour plate was unrivaled anywhere else in the world.

Like most of Europe, they were strapped for cash around that time so they auctioned much of it off. I remember reading about it in an old Compton Yearbook from the '60s.