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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:43 pm

Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically?

Realistically I'm not seeing any potential to make weapons of this or any other reproductive technology.
Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics.

The first "test tube baby" was born in 1978. You're 37 years late.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:47 pm

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Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically?

Realistically I'm not seeing any potential to make weapons of this or any other reproductive technology.
Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics.

The first "test tube baby" was born in 1978. You're 37 years late.

I've played God several times in the lab, consequently damning my soul to hell for eternity.

In my own opinion I do an acceptable portrayal of what is a truly enigmatic figure.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:49 pm

Esternial wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Realistically I'm not seeing any potential to make weapons of this or any other reproductive technology.

The first "test tube baby" was born in 1978. You're 37 years late.

I've played God several times in the lab, consequently damning my soul to hell for eternity.

In my own opinion I do an acceptable portrayal of what is a truly enigmatic figure.

I've yet to notice any decrease in my quality of life in the absence of a soul. There is the issue of catching fire when I step on consecrated ground, but I only go to mass at Christmas with my family, so that's not a big deal.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:I've played God several times in the lab, consequently damning my soul to hell for eternity.

In my own opinion I do an acceptable portrayal of what is a truly enigmatic figure.

I've yet to notice any decrease in my quality of life in the absence of a soul. There is the issue of catching fire when I step on consecrated ground, but I only go to mass at Christmas with my family, so that's not a big deal.

They should really add more fire extinguishers to local churches.

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Postby Corcation » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:55 pm

My husband and I have read this. I find it interesting. He and I have talked about surrogates but this type of science we are talking now is far off.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:14 pm

Esternial wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I've yet to notice any decrease in my quality of life in the absence of a soul. There is the issue of catching fire when I step on consecrated ground, but I only go to mass at Christmas with my family, so that's not a big deal.

They should really add more fire extinguishers to local churches.

Nah, churches are too cold. Bit of fire helps.
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Postby Serrenissima » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:I've played God several times in the lab, consequently damning my soul to hell for eternity.

In my own opinion I do an acceptable portrayal of what is a truly enigmatic figure.

I've yet to notice any decrease in my quality of life in the absence of a soul. There is the issue of catching fire when I step on consecrated ground, but I only go to mass at Christmas with my family, so that's not a big deal.

As a ginger, I apparently don't have a soul of my own. Although I do earn a freckle for every soul I steal.

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:46 pm

is it only for women?
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Postby Zaereas » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:50 pm

Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically? Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics. Than again I am kind of paranoid and distrustful of most of humanity. Again the reason I'm against this is not because I hate people who are homosexual, it's because I don't trust humanity.


This sounds like a good idea. Infinite, vat born soldiers who are trained to fight so naturally created humans can live their life in peace whilst wars rage on outside the confines of their nation? Sounds great, actually.
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Postby Godular » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:45 pm

Serrenissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I've yet to notice any decrease in my quality of life in the absence of a soul. There is the issue of catching fire when I step on consecrated ground, but I only go to mass at Christmas with my family, so that's not a big deal.

As a ginger, I apparently don't have a soul of my own. Although I do earn a freckle for every soul I steal.


So THAT'S how it works.

Actually explains the increasing number of professed atheists in my physics classes, come to think of it. Also why I'm gaining freckles even though I rarely go outside. Hmm.

I wonder if I steal somebody's soul whenever I tell a pun.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:09 pm

Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically? Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics. Than again I am kind of paranoid and distrustful of most of humanity. Again the reason I'm against this is not because I hate people who are homosexual, it's because I don't trust humanity.

How would you weaponize babies? Drop them on your enemies and hope the new responsibilities of parenthood cause them to give up the fight?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:11 pm

Olthar wrote:How would you weaponize babies?

...

Challenge accepted.

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Postby Othelos » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:03 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:is it only for women?

No. Men who have trouble with fertility could have this procedure done and have a baby with a woman. Issues like having low sperm count or motility, for example, or if they don't have testicles.

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Postby Githoniel » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:33 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:But no, you're right. No one actually calls for an all-female world. It's nice food for thought, though.


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Postby Jute » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:23 am

Githoniel wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:But no, you're right. No one actually calls for an all-female world. It's nice food for thought, though.


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https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12 ... s-rape-ok/

dunno 'bout that. I have read some stuff in the dark pink corners of the radfem world. Mostly for nightmare fuel.

Obviously most feminists would not agree with that. Better for men and women not to live in such a world, I think.
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Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically? Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics. Than again I am kind of paranoid and distrustful of most of humanity. Again the reason I'm against this is not because I hate people who are homosexual, it's because I don't trust humanity.

How would you weaponize babies? Drop them on your enemies and hope the new responsibilities of parenthood cause them to give up the fight?

Not the babies, the technology. Or maybe to create soldiers with super-genes?
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Postby Githoniel » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:58 am

Jute wrote:Obviously most feminists would not agree with that. Better for men and women not to live in such a world, I think.


As a woman, I heartily agree with this sentiment. (Then again, according to her, that's just my, ahem, Stockholm syndrome talking....)
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Postby Esternial » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:17 am

Zaereas wrote:
Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically? Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics. Than again I am kind of paranoid and distrustful of most of humanity. Again the reason I'm against this is not because I hate people who are homosexual, it's because I don't trust humanity.


This sounds like a good idea. Infinite, vat born soldiers who are trained to fight so naturally created humans can live their life in peace whilst wars rage on outside the confines of their nation? Sounds great, actually.

This is why we have a course on scientific ethics.

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Postby Zaereas » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:32 am

Esternial wrote:
Zaereas wrote:
This sounds like a good idea. Infinite, vat born soldiers who are trained to fight so naturally created humans can live their life in peace whilst wars rage on outside the confines of their nation? Sounds great, actually.

This is why we have a course on scientific ethics.


You can keep your ethics, I've got warrior babies.
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Postby Serrenissima » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:25 am

If fear of weaponization ruled what we could research, we'd have to go back to pre-tool use tree-dwelling small primates. (or maybe further.)

From the moment we first picked up a rock or a tree branch, humans (and our ancestors) have been turning tech into weapons. This isn't a problem, though. It's a catalyst for greater technology. From an evolutionary perspective, wars have typically been good things...they cull large segments over our population, force rapid change and advancement, and have a mild "survival of the fittest" approach.

Sucks for us as individuals, though.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:36 am

Zaereas wrote:
Camelone wrote:I'm against this type of reproduction not out of hatred for anybody but because humanity will find some way to create weapons from this. Face it when we start playing God we run the risk of killing ourselves off more so than usual. Who here believes humanity won't find some way to create weapons out of this realistically? Plus this is a simple step away from "test tube babies" which easily can lead to a creation of a society where wealth and statues is based off genetics. Than again I am kind of paranoid and distrustful of most of humanity. Again the reason I'm against this is not because I hate people who are homosexual, it's because I don't trust humanity.


This sounds like a good idea. Infinite, vat born soldiers who are trained to fight so naturally created humans can live their life in peace whilst wars rage on outside the confines of their nation? Sounds great, actually.

Sounds like the Clone Wars.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:37 am

Zaereas wrote:
Esternial wrote:This is why we have a course on scientific ethics.


You can keep your ethics, I've got warrior babies.

Good luck making them.

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Postby Serrenissima » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:09 am

Esternial wrote:
Zaereas wrote:
You can keep your ethics, I've got warrior babies.

Good luck making them.


When you put it like that, it sounds like it could be an awesome vocation.

"What do you do for a living?"

"I make babies."

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Postby Zaereas » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:27 am

Serrenissima wrote:
Esternial wrote:Good luck making them.


When you put it like that, it sounds like it could be an awesome vocation.

"What do you do for a living?"

"I make babies."


That could have other implications.
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Postby Serrenissima » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:29 am

Zaereas wrote:
Serrenissima wrote:
When you put it like that, it sounds like it could be an awesome vocation.

"What do you do for a living?"

"I make babies."


That could have other implications.


I know, right?

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:44 pm

Othelos wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:is it only for women?

No. Men who have trouble with fertility could have this procedure done and have a baby with a woman. Issues like having low sperm count or motility, for example, or if they don't have testicles.

couldn't you use it for 2 gay men?
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