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Tea party separation of america wrote:

Stykkfjouri wrote:
What? What do you know about me? I know you and your posting history. But, in what way do I not support these things? And how can you support freedom and freedom of religion when you want christianity shoved in people's personal lives?

I dont want it shoved in people personal lives at all.

I laughed so hard at that

Jute wrote:

Tea party separation of america wrote:I support all of those.
You on the other hand...

Freedom of marriage?

Hah! I'll believe it when I can move to the US and marry my laptop.

No, not really...

Ah the silence

Tea party separation of america wrote:http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=if04g01
Just gonna leave this here.

Wow...I can't even begin to go into everything wrong with this article. Namely, EVERYTHING. It's the most obvious Christian patriarchy dominant article I've ever read that wasn't satire.

If you want to go over every point in the article, I'll pick it all apart for you. Be glad to.

Planita wrote:

Tea party separation of america wrote:I dont want it shoved in people personal lives at all.

I laughed so hard at that

Poe is loving it.

Desperate Measures wrote:

Tea party separation of america wrote:Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.

Equality is a good bone to be pickin'.

Amen to that

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Tea party separation of america wrote:We dont.

Yes, yes you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_USA]

You also have a communist party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

In fact you have sevarl of each.

-Communist Party USA
-socialist

Pick one, lol; CPUSA is a sham of a Party that isn't Communist or socialist in anything other than name.

People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

Scepez wrote:

Jute wrote:Freedom of marriage?

Hah! I'll believe it when I can move to the US and marry my laptop.

No, not really...

You can do that in Japan, I think. Someone married a virtual girl there, if I remember correctly.

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

+1 to this.

Appearing to take a moderate stance on a single issue doesn't not make you a right-wing asshole.

Jute wrote:

Scepez wrote:
Hah! I'll believe it when I can move to the US and marry my laptop.

No, not really...

You can do that in Japan, I think. Someone married a virtual girl there, if I remember correctly.

...

Pardon?

Scepez wrote:

Jute wrote:You can do that in Japan, I think. Someone married a virtual girl there, if I remember correctly.

...

Pardon?

.. Its Japan just go with it.

Scepez wrote:

Jute wrote:You can do that in Japan, I think. Someone married a virtual girl there, if I remember correctly.

...

Pardon?

Link

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

Good to see someone gettng back to the original topic.

Tea party separation of america wrote:

Stykkfjouri wrote:
What? What do you know about me? I know you and your posting history. But, in what way do I not support these things? And how can you support freedom and freedom of religion when you want christianity shoved in people's personal lives?

I dont want it shoved in people personal lives at all.

Then stop shoving your own on others by getting married.

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The Log Cabin Republican Party exists, so woop-dee-fucking-doo, another one joins.

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

While I would normally fully side with such cynicism, it has to be remembered that the US has no shortage of reformed formerly virulent racists. It isn't unreasonable to think people could change their minds when old viewpoints are challenged more and more.

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

On that note, the power of a democratic system isn't that the man at the top will always agree with the populace, but that the populace can force them to do what they want if they want to stay in power. In theory, anyway.

Galba Dea wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

On that note, the power of a democratic system isn't that the man at the top will always agree with the populace, but that the populace can force them to do what they want if they want to stay in power. In theory, anyway.

Yes! They are supposed to be working for us. We elect them to represent us and do things we want them to do. If capitalism is the religion in this country, and it is, then just like any employee, we should be able to fire politicians who are no longer doing their jobs.

Sovelia wrote:

Galba Dea wrote:
On that note, the power of a democratic system isn't that the man at the top will always agree with the populace, but that the populace can force them to do what they want if they want to stay in power. In theory, anyway.

Yes! They are supposed to be working for us. We elect them to represent us and do things we want them to do. If capitalism is the religion in this country, and it is, then just like any employee, we should be able to fire politicians who are no longer doing their jobs.

The united states does that regularly through elections.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Scepez wrote:
...

Pardon?

.. Its Japan just go with it.

I wish it was that easy...
I can't beli- No! Not going there.

Ahem, I guess its nice the guy decided he doesn't hate gay people now, but honestly politics is politics. How much of his words can you take for granted? Not a lot I imagine.

Nerotysia wrote:It's about frickin' time. Though I'm sure this was a calculated political move more than anything.

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

If they do that they will slowly become obsolete and dissapear as the current generation reaches adulthood and fails to vote for them due to their archaic beliefs about marriage. So, you want them to kill their own party?

Actually, I agree with you. They should hold firm on traditional marriage.

haha AGREED. Maybe then other parties will actually have a chance, and America can cease to have such a bipartisan political system.

Old Tyrannia wrote:Frankly the American Republicans' opposition to gay marriage is one of the least concerning of their policies. I'd be much more impressed by a Republican who was willing to stand up and admit the US isn't taking climate change seriously, or that universal healthcare isn't the first step to socialist tyranny.

This.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

While I would normally fully side with such cynicism, it has to be remembered that the US has no shortage of reformed formerly virulent racists. It isn't unreasonable to think people could change their minds when old viewpoints are challenged more and more.

He supported a state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman in 2008. In 2013 he stated that "traditional marriage" is what should be recognized by the government. All he is saying now is the same thing he has said before, that it should be a state issue. He speaks of same-sex marriage as seeking "greater protection" rather than the same protection offered to male and female couples, and fully believes that people should have the ability to refuse to grant such protections. No, he is not saying anything new. He is still a bigoted asshole that shouldn't be in any position of power, let alone the most powerful position in the most powerful nation in the world.

Judging by the actions of Republican judges over the past year or two, it seems to me that the GOP have decided that it's okay to be gay as long as you are otherwise ideologically correct.

Threlizdun wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:While I would normally fully side with such cynicism, it has to be remembered that the US has no shortage of reformed formerly virulent racists. It isn't unreasonable to think people could change their minds when old viewpoints are challenged more and more.

He supported a state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman in 2008. In 2013 he stated that "traditional marriage" is what should be recognized by the government. All he is saying now is the same thing he has said before, that it should be a state issue. He speaks of same-sex marriage as seeking "greater protection" rather than the same protection offered to male and female couples, and fully believes that people should have the ability to refuse to grant such protections. No, he is not saying anything new. He is still a bigoted asshole that shouldn't be in any position of power, let alone the most powerful position in the most powerful nation in the world.

Ah, I did not realize such statements had been so recent, thank you. If he should take actions in opposition to his former position, there should be consideration if his reflections, but he should open up fully about such reflections to reinforce their sincerity.

Galba Dea wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:People legitimately believe Mr. "Sodomy shouldn't be elevated to the status of race and religion" actually gives a shit about the LGBTQIA community? He's a politician in a country that favors same sex marriage and protection for LGBTQIA individuals. Of course he is going to create an image of seeming to support it if he wants any chance to to get elected. To do this though, he has to erase his history as a long-standing homophobic ass, who compared protections of sexual minorities to protections of pedophiles, polluters, and drunk drivers. No, history is not erased with a few empty words.

On that note, the power of a democratic system isn't that the man at the top will always agree with the populace, but that the populace can force them to do what they want if they want to stay in power. In theory, anyway.

Yes, in theory a homeless, physically and mentally disabled, homosexual, transgender person of color has the same political power as an able-bodied, white, heterosexual, cisgender, Christian, male head of a multinational corporation, but we can easily see how much of a reality that is.