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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:58 am

As this article shows, the Republican Party isn't necessarily as reactionary as some threads here might let it seem.
When Bush officially launches his presidential bid later this year, he will likely do so with a campaign manager who has urged the Republican Party to adopt a pro-gay agenda; a chief strategist who signed a Supreme Court amicus brief arguing for marriage equality in California; a longtime adviser who once encouraged her minister to stick to his guns in preaching equality for same-sex couples; and a communications director who is openly gay.

To an extent that would have been unthinkable in past elections, one of the leading candidates for the Republican presidential nomination has stocked his inner circle with advisers who are vocal proponents of gay rights. And while the Bush camp says his platform will not be shaped by his lieutenants’ personal beliefs, many in the monied, moderate, corporate wing of the GOP — including pragmatic donors, secular politicos, and other members of the establishment — are cheering the early hires as a sign that Bush will position himself as the gay-friendly Republican in the 2016 field.
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At the same time last month, as Bush’s home state of Florida was hosting its first same-sex unions, he released a statement that was widely noted for its mollifying tone, urging “respect for the good people on all sides of the gay and lesbian marriage issue — including couples making lifetime commitments to each other… and those of us who believe marriage is a sacrament and want to safeguard religious liberty.”

If the statement seemed to represent a change of heart over the past two decades, it also reflected the political calculus of Bush’s message man, Mike Murphy. In a Time column just after the 2012 election, he wrote of the GOP’s electoral problems, “We repel younger voters, who are much more secular than their parents, with our opposition to same-sex marriage and our scolding tone on social issues.”
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I thought that for every evangelical Christian fundamentalist there are probably some more liberal party members balancing things a bit out, and this article seems to prove it. Some Republicans seem to have understood that they're alienating possible voters with their stance on things like same-sex marriage, and that they have to acknowledge that times have changed, and so should their view on social policy. It's nice to see a less extreme Republican candidate, here's hoping that he will succeed. What does everyone else think, ia this a good sign, a half-hearted attempt in gaining votes or the wrong way for the Republican Party to go?
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:02 pm

It's very nice to see. Especially if it's for the right reasons. Doesn't make me any more likely to vote Republican but it would make me less pissy about them.
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Postby Murkwood » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:03 pm

Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:04 pm

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

Well, it's probably not, seeing as same-sex marriages are already legal in the majority of states.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:05 pm

I think we need to congratulate him on his inclusiveness.

Frequently. In public. In front of his base.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:06 pm

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

So, like I could trade a couple of cows for a wife sort of traditional?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:07 pm

Are you citing Buzzfeed as your OP source?
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Postby Tea Party Separation of America » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:07 pm

Jute wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

Well, it's probably not, seeing as same-sex marriages are already legal in the majority of states.

Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:09 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Are you citing Buzzfeed as your OP source?

The article doesn't seem that bad or unprofessional to me. You can check it out yourself, and if you want, propose a better source.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:09 pm

Tea party separation of america wrote:
Jute wrote:Well, it's probably not, seeing as same-sex marriages are already legal in the majority of states.

Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.

Equality is a good bone to be pickin'.
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"All Clock Faces Are Wrong." - Gene Ray, Prophet(?) http://www.timecube.com
A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:09 pm

Tea party separation of america wrote:
Jute wrote:Well, it's probably not, seeing as same-sex marriages are already legal in the majority of states.

Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.

Yes, exactly.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:13 pm

Finally. A pro choice, pro LGBT, pro business Republican is one I could vote for.

Now if only they wouldn't restrict free association...

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:14 pm

Tea party separation of america wrote:
Jute wrote:Well, it's probably not, seeing as same-sex marriages are already legal in the majority of states.

Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.

Freedom's so bad, ain't it Mr. libertarian?

We should institute gun control as well, people can't be trusted with guns.

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Postby Allegan County » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:15 pm

That's great.
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Postby Tea Party Separation of America » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Tea party separation of america wrote:Probably because it was forced on them by out-of-state liberals with a bone to pick.

Freedom's so bad, ain't it Mr. libertarian?

We should institute gun control as well, people can't be trusted with guns.

Most folks such as yourself have no idea what there talking about when it comes to guns.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:17 pm

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

I agree.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:18 pm

Tea party separation of america wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Freedom's so bad, ain't it Mr. libertarian?

We should institute gun control as well, people can't be trusted with guns.

Most folks such as yourself have no idea what there talking about when it comes to guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0

I was being sarcastic. I am strongly in favour of the second amendment. My point is Liberty is guaranteed for all people. We must respect each person's inalienable rights.

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Postby Nerotysia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:18 pm

It's about frickin' time. Though I'm sure this was a calculated political move more than anything.

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

If they do that they will slowly become obsolete and dissapear as the current generation reaches adulthood and fails to vote for them due to their archaic beliefs about marriage. So, you want them to kill their own party?

Actually, I agree with you. They should hold firm on traditional marriage.

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Postby Tea Party Separation of America » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:19 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Tea party separation of america wrote:Most folks such as yourself have no idea what there talking about when it comes to guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0

I was being sarcastic. I am strongly in favour of the second amendment. My point is Liberty is guaranteed for all people. We must respect each person's inalienable rights.

Marriage between two men or two women aint an inalienable right.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:20 pm

Nerotysia wrote:It's about frickin' time. Though I'm sure this was a calculated political move more than anything.

Murkwood wrote:Hopefully this is just a fad. The Republicans need to hold firm on traditional marriage.

If they do that they will slowly become obsolete and dissapear as the current generation reaches adulthood and fails to vote for them due to their archaic beliefs about marriage. So, you want them to kill their own party?

Actually, I agree with you. They should hold firm on traditional marriage.

And the US should become a one-party-nation?
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Postby Skappola » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:20 pm

Tea party separation of america wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I was being sarcastic. I am strongly in favour of the second amendment. My point is Liberty is guaranteed for all people. We must respect each person's inalienable rights.

Marriage between two men or two women aint an inalienable right.

And why shouldn't marriage be an inalienable right?
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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:21 pm

Why is it that Americans feel the need to own guns... Sorry for the off topic sentece. I think he might be a good choice.
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Postby Nerotysia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:21 pm

Jute wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's about frickin' time. Though I'm sure this was a calculated political move more than anything.


If they do that they will slowly become obsolete and dissapear as the current generation reaches adulthood and fails to vote for them due to their archaic beliefs about marriage. So, you want them to kill their own party?

Actually, I agree with you. They should hold firm on traditional marriage.

And the US should become a one-party-nation?

Another party will rise to challenge the dominant party, as always. Likely this new one will not be rooted in idiotic ideology.

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Postby Kokotov » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:21 pm

Jute wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:It's about frickin' time. Though I'm sure this was a calculated political move more than anything.


If they do that they will slowly become obsolete and dissapear as the current generation reaches adulthood and fails to vote for them due to their archaic beliefs about marriage. So, you want them to kill their own party?

Actually, I agree with you. They should hold firm on traditional marriage.

And the US should become a one-party-nation?

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