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Some Republicans Propose Declaring Idaho A 'Christian State'

Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:30 am

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SALMON, Idaho, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Members of a county Republican Party in Idaho are to take up a measure on Tuesday evening that would declare the state a Christian one to bolster what the proposal calls the "Judeo-Christian bedrock of the founding of the United States."

The resolution to be voted on by the Kootenai County Republican Central Committee is non-binding, meaning it does not have the effect of laws or rules.

The proposal seeks that Idaho be "formally and specifically declared a Christian state," guided by a Judeo-Christian faith reflected in the U.S. Declaration of Independence where all authority and power is attributed to God, the resolution reads.

The measure argues that the Christian faith is under "strident attack" in the United States, and cites as evidence the absence of Christian traditions and symbols in public institutions such as schools.

The issue has sparked debate within the Republican stronghold of northern Idaho, once known for harboring leaders of the so-called Christian identity or white supremacist movement such as the late Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler.

Supporters say the measure echoes the Christian principles espoused by early U.S. presidents such as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, and that it has added significance at a time when Christians are subject to persecution in countries such as Syria where it is not the dominant religion.

"We're a Christian community in a Christian state and the Republican Party is a Christian Party," said Jeff Tyler, a member of the committee and backer of the draft resolution.

"It's important that Christians stand up and be unashamed to say they're Christians."

Other committee members said they opposed the proposal, but that it placed them in a difficult position because if they voted against it they risked being unjustly labeled as anti-Christian.

Bjorn Handeen, a committee member who described himself as a Republican with libertarian leanings, said he is opposed to any document that puts the government in charge of defining Christianity.

He said the resolution was pushed by a small group within the committee that is bent on creating division among its about 70 members.

"Ultimately, I'm not in favor of dividing us by religion; I'm in favor of uniting us by freedom," Handeen said.

If approved, the resolution would be submitted to the state Republican Party for a vote by its members.

Idaho has long been a Republican bastion, with party members holding the majority of state offices. (Reporting by Laura Zuckerman; Editing by Daniel Wallis and Mohammad Zargham)


Well, huh. This certainly doesn't help the reputation of the Republican Party, especially not amongst anyone who isn't a devout Christian. It seems like it's just a small group pushing this, ignoring how unconstitutional this might be (I'm no expert on this, though) and putting everyone opposed to it, especially other Republicans in an annoying hard position, where they might feel like they might be labeled some not-so-nice things. Still, in my opinion they should step up and oppose it and try to ignore any ignorant insults flown at them, so those more sensible Republicans don't lose even more grounds to the more extreme ones, who for some reason still think that Christianity is under attack in the US, just because there are more unaffiliated people now.
What does everyone else think about this? A blatant attack on the US constitution, a silly but harmless proposal or something else? What would you if you had a position in the committee, and what would you advise those to me more reasonable seeming Republicans to do?
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Postby Hanchu » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:32 am

Reminds me of isis

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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:34 am

Hanchu wrote:Reminds me of isis

How so?
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:37 am

Someone should make a Republican's megathread...first a national religion proposal, now this

where all authority and power is attributed to God, the resolution reads.


Well in that case it would be simply chaos and anarchy, since surprise! There ain't one.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:39 am

Knockturn Alley wrote:Someone should make a Republican's megathread...first a national religion proposal, now this

where all authority and power is attributed to God, the resolution reads.


Well in that case it would be simply chaos and anarchy, since surprise! There ain't one.
If Fox News was a country I would suggest all of them be deported there :p

That's what people want anyway, don't they?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:39 am

If they do this would that mean any non Christian is exempt from Idaho law?
You know what, I'm going to say yes.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:39 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:If they do this would that mean any non Christian is exempt from Idaho law?
You know what, I'm going to say yes.

Actually, that proposal seems to be supposed to be symbolic only, with no consequences for the law.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
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that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
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Jute wrote:
Hanchu wrote:Reminds me of isis

How so?

Religion state

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Postby Knockturn Alley » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:41 am

Jute wrote:
Knockturn Alley wrote:Someone should make a Republican's megathread...first a national religion proposal, now this



Well in that case it would be simply chaos and anarchy, since surprise! There ain't one.
If Fox News was a country I would suggest all of them be deported there :p

That's what people want anyway, don't they?


They do? I shudder to think what sort of a country that would be...maybe if it was located in the middle east, they could have a scuffle with the isis
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Postby Esternial » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:42 am

Fuck that noise.

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Postby Knockturn Alley » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:42 am

Hanchu wrote:
Jute wrote:How so?

Religion state

Isis is a tad more than that though
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Jute wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:If they do this would that mean any non Christian is exempt from Idaho law?
You know what, I'm going to say yes.

Actually, that proposal seems to be supposed to be symbolic only, with no consequences for the law.

I guarantee you that's not how it will happen. At the very, very least, were it to pass, they would be able to force Christianity into schools and deny marriage equality for a longer time. They would probably also jump on the chance to put women back into the 1950's and remove all bodily autonomy like these theocrats are want to do.
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Postby Arcanda » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:43 am

Technically speaking: Would it have any effect on laws? Would it be detrimental to any non-Christian?
Look at the statistics: Most of them are Christian one way or another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho#Religion

While I disagree with it, and while I would certainly not support such resolution at a national level, I think that it is their right as a state to do that, as long as it is not detrimental to anyone else.

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Knockturn Alley wrote:
Hanchu wrote:Religion state

Isis is a tad more than that though

I know but it does remind me of it

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Arcanda wrote:Technically speaking: Would it have any effect on laws? Would it be detrimental to any non-Christian?
Look at the statistics: Most of them are Christian one way or another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho#Religion

While I disagree with it, and while I would certainly not support such resolution at a national level, I think that it is their right as a state to do that, as long as it is not detrimental to anyone else.

Shall we go ahead and set fire to the rest of the constitution as well
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Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Jute wrote:Actually, that proposal seems to be supposed to be symbolic only, with no consequences for the law.

I guarantee you that's not how it will happen. At the very, very least, were it to pass, they would be able to force Christianity into schools and deny marriage equality for a longer time. They would probably also jump on the chance to put women back into the 1950's and remove all bodily autonomy like these theocrats are want to do.

They're not this dumb.If this proposal passes, I think they'll respect every point of the Constitution and do everything to not break it.Otherwise, I'm sure that if they did break it, they'd be under fire within a day and wouldn't be able to maintain their "Christian State" anymore.

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I declare anyone who backs this bill a traitor to the very idea of what America stands for.
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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:47 am

Hanchu wrote:
Jute wrote:How so?

Religion state

Less violent, though, and this is only supposed to be symbolic for a single state.
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Jute wrote:That's what people want anyway, don't they?


They do? I shudder to think what sort of a country that would be...maybe if it was located in the middle east, they could have a scuffle with the isis

Well, I was referring to people arguing against Statism.
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Postby Arcanda » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:47 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Arcanda wrote:Technically speaking: Would it have any effect on laws? Would it be detrimental to any non-Christian?
Look at the statistics: Most of them are Christian one way or another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho#Religion

While I disagree with it, and while I would certainly not support such resolution at a national level, I think that it is their right as a state to do that, as long as it is not detrimental to anyone else.

Shall we go ahead and set fire to the rest of the constitution as well

They said it wouldn't impact laws.We have no proof it would.

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Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:I declare anyone who backs this bill a traitor to the very idea of what America stands for.


I'm a traitor to a nation riding on the backs of foreign interests, then.

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Arcanda wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I guarantee you that's not how it will happen. At the very, very least, were it to pass, they would be able to force Christianity into schools and deny marriage equality for a longer time. They would probably also jump on the chance to put women back into the 1950's and remove all bodily autonomy like these theocrats are want to do.

They're not this dumb.If this proposal passes, I think they'll respect every point of the Constitution and do everything to not break it.Otherwise, I'm sure that if they did break it, they'd be under fire within a day and wouldn't be able to maintain their "Christian State" anymore.

Well luckily for us, it literally can't pass because it's directly against the establishment clause.
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Arcanda wrote:They're not this dumb.If this proposal passes, I think they'll respect every point of the Constitution and do everything to not break it.Otherwise, I'm sure that if they did break it, they'd be under fire within a day and wouldn't be able to maintain their "Christian State" anymore.

Which Republican party have you been watching? 'Cause this one loves violating the constitution.

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Postby Jute » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:48 am

Arcanda wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I guarantee you that's not how it will happen. At the very, very least, were it to pass, they would be able to force Christianity into schools and deny marriage equality for a longer time. They would probably also jump on the chance to put women back into the 1950's and remove all bodily autonomy like these theocrats are want to do.

They're not this dumb.If this proposal passes, I think they'll respect every point of the Constitution and do everything to not break it.Otherwise, I'm sure that if they did break it, they'd be under fire within a day and wouldn't be able to maintain their "Christian State" anymore.

Most people are actually not in favor of this proposal, but wary of being called "Un-Christian"...
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
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that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
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Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
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Arcanda wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Shall we go ahead and set fire to the rest of the constitution as well

They said it wouldn't impact laws.We have no proof it would.

And you have no proof it wouldn't.
If they didn't want to change anything they wouldn't be trying to make this pass.
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Postby Argonoby » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:49 am

Knockturn Alley wrote:
Hanchu wrote:Religion state

Isis is a tad more than that though



It starts out with simply labeling then people get angry because no one else will accept their ideology, then they become radical. this is horrible because those non-christian are basically being told that they're not welcome unless they praise jebus. This can spin out of control very quickly if not contained, soon texas, mississippi, alabama, tennesee, other majority conservative states will adopt this ideology and those who question in will be considered satan lovers whom need to be taught a "lesson". it's a slippery slope.

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