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Pretty much what it says on the tin. In a poll by Public Policy Polling, and in response to the question "Would you support or oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion?" (Q17), 57% of Republicans interviewed stated that they supported this idea.

This strikes me as troubling. While it's no surprise that the GOP has leaned ever more right over the past few decades, and has pandered particularly to the religious right during that period of time in a mad scramble for votes, I find it disturbing that a majority of people in the party are so openly disdainful of the Constitution. Previously, the rhetoric was at least hidden behind a veil of "We respect everyone's right to believe as they wish". Now it's more of a "If you're not all about Jesus, then you're not really an American".

Thoughts?

I know some of them.

I'm family with some of them.

Fuckin' dominionists.

Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

I am not worried about it.

It's a "dog whistle" issue.

doesn't mean much without definition of national religion

england (yes, england, not the UK) has an established church and they're doing a lot better on the overall secularism scale

e: though i suppose it's technically bad regardless

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

Except the people they vote for. What's the Republican/Democratic balance in Congress and the Senate again?

I'd like to know the margin of error on that because that sounds ridiculous.

Alyakia wrote:doesn't mean much without definition of national religion

england (yes, england, not the UK) has an established church and they're doing a lot better on the overall secularism scale

e: though i suppose it's technically bad regardless

True, but only because they actually know the consequences of actually DOING anything about CoE being the national church. It's there, it's technically the official church, but they don't want any religious wars, so people usually don't make that huge a deal of it. Here in America, we haven't seen religious wars, so we tend to not understand the dangers. You can bet that the moment that the Constitution was amended to make Christianity the national religion, we'd see people enforcing the hell out of it, and oppressing whoever got in their way.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

Except the people they vote for. What the Republican/Democratic balance in Congress and the Senate again?

And?

What exactly could they do?

They hate our constitution, I am sure Fox News will be all over this.

The United Territories of Providence wrote:I'd like to know the margin of error on that because that sounds ridiculous.

According to the linked poll, +/-5.5%

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

With current politics as they are you are more likely to get a constitutionally amendment to make Xtianity a national religion than an amendment repealing the 2nd amendment.

Conserative Morality wrote:I know some of them.

I'm family with some of them.

Fuckin' dominionists.

I will trade you yours for mine.

Mine have mullets!

The Black Forrest wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Except the people they vote for. What the Republican/Democratic balance in Congress and the Senate again?

And?

What exactly could they do?

Amend the constitution? Isn't that one of the powers that comes with being an elected official in the US? The ability to change things?

The Black Forrest wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:I know some of them.

I'm family with some of them.

Fuckin' dominionists.

I will trade you yours for mine.

Mine have mullets!

shet.

da mullets.

greed and death wrote:

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

With current politics as they are you are more likely to get a constitutionally amendment to make Xtianity a national religion than an amendment repealing the 2nd amendment.

not sure what that has to do with anything but, okay? Neither is gonna happen.

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:

The United Territories of Providence wrote:I'd like to know the margin of error on that because that sounds ridiculous.

According to the linked poll, +/-5.5%

If I could apologize for conservatives I would. You take the Tea Partiers out of that poll and I'm sure you get a number in the mid 40's...which still isn't good...but again...I can't apologize for idiocy.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
And?

What exactly could they do?

Amend the constitution? Isn't that one of the powers that comes with being an elected official in the US? The ability to change things?

You still need 2/3 of the states.

Even die hard Conservatives don't trust politicians with the Constitution.

The United Territories of Providence wrote:

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
According to the linked poll, +/-5.5%

If I could apologize for conservatives I would. You take the Tea Partiers out of that poll and I'm sure you get a number in the mid 40's...which still isn't good...but again...I can't apologize for idiocy.

No need to apologize for something that you have no control over. The best thing that you can do as a conservative is to not be an idiot, and so far, you seem to be doing okay with that. Not that I know you that well, but the fact that you get the importance of the Establishment Clause is promising.

greed and death wrote:

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Happily no one really gives a fuck what they want.

With current politics as they are you are more likely to get a constitutionally amendment to make Xtianity a national religion than an amendment repealing the 2nd amendment.

It would make for an interesting time as that would go to the SCOTUS.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Amend the constitution? Isn't that one of the powers that comes with being an elected official in the US? The ability to change things?

You still need 2/3 of the states.

Even die hard Conservatives don't trust politicians with the Constitution.

You need the bill to pass both Houses with 2/3 majorities and then to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

The Black Forrest wrote:

greed and death wrote:With current politics as they are you are more likely to get a constitutionally amendment to make Xtianity a national religion than an amendment repealing the 2nd amendment.

It would make for an interesting time as that would go to the SCOTUS.

A constitutional amendment wouldn't go to SCOTUS.....

Farnhamia wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
You still need 2/3 of the states.

Even die hard Conservatives don't trust politicians with the Constitution.

You need the bill to pass both Houses with 2/3 majorities and then to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

Opps you are correct. I got it backwards.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
It would make for an interesting time as that would go to the SCOTUS.

A constitutional amendment wouldn't go to SCOTUS.....

National religion amendment vs the establishment clause.

So, what sect of Christianity? Or are is there going to be more "all Christian sects are the same" bullshit.

Edit: When I was a Pentecostal and when I was a Traditionalist Catholic, you learn that there are significant difference among Christians sects that can not be ignored. Hell, I have a SSPX priest tell me that Protestants have done more damage to world then anyone else.