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Autism
24
16%
Asperger's Syndrome
101
66%
PDD-NOS
9
6%
Childhood Disintegrative Disorder
0
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Other
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12%
 
Total votes : 153

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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:29 am

Settrah wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Why?


Because some people actually want to live, and carry on their lives as able as they possibly can. Not everyone wants to be a victim.

Wow...that complex is showing, besides since when is having Aspergers entitle one to being a "victim"?
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Postby Meryuma » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:55 am

Settrah wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Why?


Because some people actually want to live, and carry on their lives as able as they possibly can. Not everyone wants to be a victim.


I don't want to be a victim, and that's why I take pride in my identity as an autistic person. Being ashamed of being autistic strikes me as way more of a victim mentality.
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Postby Naushantiya » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:03 am

Holy crap 94 people in NSG are autistic.

I am a perfectly normal person here just commenting at the shock of these numbers
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:04 am

Meryuma wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I have aspergers but I refuse to tell anyone about it and I like to pretend I don't have it. I wish there could be a cure for it, damn I would even opt to part of human trials.


Why?

I want to be able not to be nervous, not be anxious in public, not be stressed and be able to pick up social queues easy. Aspergers makes me alienated from society, I know it does have it's "advantages" but if I could improve my life by getting rid of it, it would be better, people get rid of physical problems, why can't I get rid of mental problems?
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Settrah wrote:
Because some people actually want to live, and carry on their lives as able as they possibly can. Not everyone wants to be a victim.


I don't want to be a victim, and that's why I take pride in my identity as an autistic person. Being ashamed of being autistic strikes me as way more of a victim mentality.

It's still a problem technically that's why it is classed as a disability, sorry but I would rather get rid of my disability if someone said that hemophilia or another physical disability made them people special we would be shocked and tell them to seek treatment but we allow it with mental disabilities. Curing is a part of getting rid of something bad in me, it is not eugenics but it is quite similar to fixing an illness or a disease.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:32 am

Naushantiya wrote:Holy crap 94 people in NSG are autistic.

I am a perfectly normal person here just commenting at the shock of these numbers


Considering how many thousands of people there are around here, that's not a particularly shocking number.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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Postby Naushantiya » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:35 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:Holy crap 94 people in NSG are autistic.

I am a perfectly normal person here just commenting at the shock of these numbers


Considering how many thousands of people there are around here, that's not a particularly shocking number.

Well it is frankly shocking to say the least, 100 people who claimed to be autistic...

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:42 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:Considering how many thousands of people there are around here, that's not a particularly shocking number.

Well it is frankly shocking to say the least, 100 people who claimed to be autistic...

And I find it quite shocking that you consider yourself to be perfectly normal. My experience is that there is no such thing. More people are neuroatypical than is generally assumed.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:44 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Considering how many thousands of people there are around here, that's not a particularly shocking number.

Well it is frankly shocking to say the least, 100 people who claimed to be autistic...


Out of tens of thousands of nations. That is: less than 1%.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:48 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:Well it is frankly shocking to say the least, 100 people who claimed to be autistic...

Out of tens of thousands of nations. That is: less than 1%.

Keep in mind that many people are perfectly happy not participating in the forum, so there's a large 'silent' group out there.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:33 am

Settrah wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Why?


Because some people actually want to live, and carry on their lives as able as they possibly can. Not everyone wants to be a victim.

You're not a victim...

If you are, then I hope you find a way to sue genetics, and happenstance, and all sorts a shit.

I hope you can support yourself or your parents have enough money, because you will have to sue them too.

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Postby Naushantiya » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:50 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:Out of tens of thousands of nations. That is: less than 1%.

Keep in mind that many people are perfectly happy not participating in the forum, so there's a large 'silent' group out there.


Yes so there would be a higher number of autistic people, it is a good thing and a bad thing but mainly a bad thing in my opinion.

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:04 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:Out of tens of thousands of nations. That is: less than 1%.

Keep in mind that many people are perfectly happy not participating in the forum, so there's a large 'silent' group out there.


But on the other hand, this is the Autism Spectrum Megathread, so you'd expect massive over-reporting of autism in it.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

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Postby SJT » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:25 pm

A lot of people tell me/think I'm autistic but I currently have no diagnosed disorders (and my doctor says that "it's just a problem with focus which means you're not getting enough sleep or taking interest in school" whenever I bring up that subject), but according to this], I got a 32.

I don't like to disclose the fact that I potentially have some disorder because almost everyone I know assumed that any kind of mental condition means you're completely retarded.
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Postby Pettlland » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:27 pm

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Herargon wrote:
Zakuvia wrote:So that it's clear, I have a degree in Psychology, and a few years experience in mental health counseling, so if my views seem strange, it's simply experience talking. In my opinion, Autism has largely been misdiagnosed. I've spoken with people through referalls who have been diagnosed as being Autistic-Asperger's. I cringe every. Single. Time. When we went from the DSM-III to the DSM IV/(TR), I was rather upset when Asperger's arrived. Every time I experienced it, I noticed a number of similar trends when it came to socialization, or a lack thereof during youth or adolescence, and a general pattern of dishonesty and shame about the fact. These people who were otherwise perfectly fine, had been duped into neurosis to believe that their poor socializing skills were actually a mental defect.

What do I mean by all this? Simple: Asperger's Does Not Exist. Now please, put down your pitchforks and torches and hear me out. Asperger's doesn't exist. Autism does. The two aren't mutually exclusive. What Asperger's actually is is basic poor socializing skills. When I speak with clients, I find out that they're actually just fervent in their interests, not pathological. A lot of them aren't even aware that droning on endlessly about workouts, or video games, or their job isn't pleasant conversation for most people who aren't interested. A bit of CBT and self-realization helps immenseley, not some quack diagnosis that leaves a person feeling like damaged goods.

As for actual Autism Spectrum? That's an entirely different story. It's not a matter of just bein poor conversations, Autistic people have genuine issues conversing in manners that seem logical. And working with them is admittedly very stressful for me, and I try to refer them out whenever possible (in my old practice anyway, pardon the poor use of tense).


Thanks for telling Asperger doesn't exist, because I would only be too happy to not to be classified as someone having a disorder.
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Postby Pettlland » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:28 pm

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Benuty wrote:
Settrah wrote:
Because some people actually want to live, and carry on their lives as able as they possibly can. Not everyone wants to be a victim.

Wow...that complex is showing, besides since when is having Aspergers entitle one to being a "victim"?

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Postby Herargon » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:26 pm

I don't know if it could be caused by my Asperger or not, but I always have thoughts that are either racist, intolerant, sadistic or full with propaganda. I always suppress these thoughts and sometimes let them go if I can't suppress them. Sometimes my brain hurts, feels as if I am empty and don't know enough, despite me knowing every detail of politics, history etc.

How would those thoughts be caused? They are really irritating. Maybe it is my great association capability due to Asperger, or not..?
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Postby Kenora County » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:27 pm

i hope they find a cure for autism soon
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:00 pm

Herargon wrote:I don't know if it could be caused by my Asperger or not, but I always have thoughts that are either racist, intolerant, sadistic or full with propaganda. I always suppress these thoughts and sometimes let them go if I can't suppress them. Sometimes my brain hurts, feels as if I am empty and don't know enough, despite me knowing every detail of politics, history etc.

How would those thoughts be caused? They are really irritating. Maybe it is my great association capability due to Asperger, or not..?

Sounds like cognitive dissonance, especially because of "Knowing every detail", which can sometimes be worse if you have Asperger's. Maybe it's a conflict between intolerant/sadistic emotions and opposing logic and societal norms?
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Postby Meryuma » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:20 pm

SJT wrote:A lot of people tell me/think I'm autistic but I currently have no diagnosed disorders (and my doctor says that "it's just a problem with focus which means you're not getting enough sleep or taking interest in school" whenever I bring up that subject), but according to this], I got a 32.

I don't like to disclose the fact that I potentially have some disorder because almost everyone I know assumed that any kind of mental condition means you're completely retarded.


That test is really stereotypical and awful. SImon Baron-Cohen is an ableist hack.

Herargon wrote:I don't know if it could be caused by my Asperger or not, but I always have thoughts that are either racist, intolerant, sadistic or full with propaganda. I always suppress these thoughts and sometimes let them go if I can't suppress them. Sometimes my brain hurts, feels as if I am empty and don't know enough, despite me knowing every detail of politics, history etc.

How would those thoughts be caused? They are really irritating. Maybe it is my great association capability due to Asperger, or not..?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

Might be a sign of OCD, which is frequently connected with autism (I speak from experience sadly).
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:15 pm

Herargon wrote:I don't know if it could be caused by my Asperger or not, but I always have thoughts that are either racist, intolerant, sadistic or full with propaganda. I always suppress these thoughts and sometimes let them go if I can't suppress them. Sometimes my brain hurts, feels as if I am empty and don't know enough, despite me knowing every detail of politics, history etc.

How would those thoughts be caused? They are really irritating. Maybe it is my great association capability due to Asperger, or not..?

I don't know what its from, maybe OCD or overly thinking something. Or maybe its that your putting too much logic and not enough emotions, or something.

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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:20 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Why?

I want to be able not to be nervous, not be anxious in public, not be stressed and be able to pick up social queues easy. Aspergers makes me alienated from society, I know it does have it's "advantages" but if I could improve my life by getting rid of it, it would be better, people get rid of physical problems, why can't I get rid of mental problems?
Meryuma wrote:There's a significant diference between a physical diference and a mental disorder.
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I don't want to be a victim, and that's why I take pride in my identity as an autistic person. Being ashamed of being autistic strikes me as way more of a victim mentality.

It's still a problem technically that's why it is classed as a disability, sorry but I would rather get rid of my disability if someone said that hemophilia or another physical disability made them people special we would be shocked and tell them to seek treatment but we allow it with mental disabilities. Curing is a part of getting rid of something bad in me, it is not eugenics but it is quite similar to fixing an illness or a disease.

There's a significant diference between a physical diference and a mental one.
In a physical diference, its something that's wrong with your body, which is almost always bad. But its not your brain, which is something else.
In a mental diference, its your brain that's diferent. That's significant because your brain is the part that's really "you", so any diference there affects "you". An autistic person without autism would be a very diferent person.
On another note, would it even be possible to finds vaccine to get rid of autism? I mean, its your actual brain that's diferent, not just a broken leg or a collapsed lung or etc cetera. How could you invent something that actually reshape s your brain?

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Postby Colonial Rhodesia » Fri May 01, 2015 4:25 pm

I am 15 years old and have aspbergers syndrome however for me this is more so a blessing from God than a disability, God save Rhodesia!!!
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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 01, 2015 5:30 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Keep in mind that many people are perfectly happy not participating in the forum, so there's a large 'silent' group out there.


But on the other hand, this is the Autism Spectrum Megathread, so you'd expect massive over-reporting of autism in it.

This does match what I've seen on the forums, with a high rate of users on the spectrum.
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Postby Herargon » Fri May 01, 2015 5:33 pm

Meryuma wrote:
SJT wrote:A lot of people tell me/think I'm autistic but I currently have no diagnosed disorders (and my doctor says that "it's just a problem with focus which means you're not getting enough sleep or taking interest in school" whenever I bring up that subject), but according to this], I got a 32.

I don't like to disclose the fact that I potentially have some disorder because almost everyone I know assumed that any kind of mental condition means you're completely retarded.


That test is really stereotypical and awful. SImon Baron-Cohen is an ableist hack.

Herargon wrote:I don't know if it could be caused by my Asperger or not, but I always have thoughts that are either racist, intolerant, sadistic or full with propaganda. I always suppress these thoughts and sometimes let them go if I can't suppress them. Sometimes my brain hurts, feels as if I am empty and don't know enough, despite me knowing every detail of politics, history etc.

How would those thoughts be caused? They are really irritating. Maybe it is my great association capability due to Asperger, or not..?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

Might be a sign of OCD, which is frequently connected with autism (I speak from experience sadly).


Bit late, but yeah, it's exactly that: an intrusive thought. I get those quite random :P

Today, I just let those thoughts go and think passively about it (not really consciously) while also almost double-thinking.

Not double think as in George Orwell's 1984, but as in: having two thoughts at the same time.

I've also noticed that if you want to memorise something better, you will have to 'move' with the sides of your head, like you move your jaws as if you were yawning, but with your jaws remaining closed.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Fri May 01, 2015 7:46 pm

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:I am 15 years old and have aspbergers syndrome however for me this is more so a blessing from God than a disability, God save Rhodesia!!!

I am glad you believe in God. There are many Asperger's people who are irreligious. We are not like that.
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