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This tends to be a touchy topic, but I'm curious.

What is your stance on abortion?

Up until fairly recently (in a historical context) abortion has been strictly condemned and restricted. Until the 1960's, abortion was (unless I'm mistaken) universally illegal. Within the past several decades, at least half of all countries in the world allow it in some form. Do you agree or disagree with a pregnant woman's (and in very rare, unique cases, a pregnant man's) right to have an abortion should they chose to do so? Do you think that it should be strictly denied, or fully permitted, or perhaps even permitted but only in special circumstances?

In case you're interested, I personally do not support abortion, with the exception of circumstances where the pregnant individual was impregnated as a result of rape, or the pregnancy could endanger their life. In such circumstances, I believe that it's not fair to force the person to go through with the pregnancy, since it was either not incurred willingly or it could threaten their life. I believe that otherwise, it's the person's responsibility to their unborn child to, at the very least, give birth to them. The individual had sex willingly, and knew that pregnancy could be a result. Thus, killing the fetus, in my opinion, is highly irresponsible.

But, hey, that's just me. What do you think?

This'll end well.

No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.

There we go. Preemptive strike.

I am pro-life.

While this would be uninforcible and tedious for various reasons, I would support some sort of abortion that rejects threads on broad subjects that have been debated in the public sphere to such a degree that English teachers ban them just so they don't have to read another 20 papers on the same subject and instead insists that if a subject that is broad and old that there has to be at least some angle or development or aspect be explored instead of a random survey and ringing of the 'fight' bell.

But, alas...

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am pro-life.

These buzzwords such as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are some of the most loaded shit to ever be dropped on the English language.
Just use pro/anti-abortion as an alternative.

Now to answer the question, I am a "pro-choice" individual.

After 24 weeks, I start to feel a little, eh, pro-life. Technically, life begins once MRSGREEN has been satisfied, so I suppose clumps of cells are alive. My favourite point is this: since the living person in the womb is a minor, the legal guardians can choose to do what they want with it, really. It's like euthanasia. Aye, it breaks down if you don't think euthanasia ought be legal, but whatever.

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am pro-life.

These buzzwords such as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are some of the most loaded shit to ever be dropped on the English language.
Just use pro/anti-abortion as an alternative.

Now to answer the question, I am a "pro-choice" individual.

Pro-abortion is also loaded.

Pro-choice is fine, imo, but yeah, pro-life is loaded as fuck, and almost certainly something social conservatives came up with.

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am pro-life.

These buzzwords such as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are some of the most loaded shit to ever be dropped on the English language.
Just use pro/anti-abortion as an alternative.

Now to answer the question, I am a "pro-choice" individual.

You've got to admit, "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have nicer rings to them than "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", albeit the latter being more accurate than the former.

Arkolon wrote:After 24 weeks, I start to feel a little, eh, pro-life. Technically, life begins once MRSGREEN has been satisfied, so I suppose clumps of cells are alive. My favourite point is this: since the living person in the womb is a minor, the legal guardians can choose to do what they want with it, really. It's like euthanasia. Aye, it breaks down if you don't think euthanasia ought be legal, but whatever.

I doubt clumps of cells are capable of thinking.

I, like most pro-choice people, am also pro-life.


Pro-deathers are very few and far between.

The disagreement is usually between pro-choice and anti-choice

Arkolon wrote:After 24 weeks, I start to feel a little, eh, pro-life. Technically, life begins once MRSGREEN has been satisfied, so I suppose clumps of cells are alive. My favourite point is this: since the living person in the womb is a minor, the legal guardians can choose to do what they want with it, really. It's like euthanasia. Aye, it breaks down if you don't think euthanasia ought be legal, but whatever.

…..Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that argument allow parents to kill their kids?

I am pro-choice and therefor pro-life.

In most of the cases I am pro-Life.

Sanctissima wrote:

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:These buzzwords such as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are some of the most loaded shit to ever be dropped on the English language.
Just use pro/anti-abortion as an alternative.

Now to answer the question, I am a "pro-choice" individual.

You've got to admit, "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have nicer rings to them than "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", albeit the latter being more accurate than the former.

Pro-life is good for loaded language and being able to say a zygote automatically gains a soul and is a form of life.

I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's body, she is a autonomous human being, she can do whatever the hell she want's to do with her body.

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:

Arkolon wrote:After 24 weeks, I start to feel a little, eh, pro-life. Technically, life begins once MRSGREEN has been satisfied, so I suppose clumps of cells are alive. My favourite point is this: since the living person in the womb is a minor, the legal guardians can choose to do what they want with it, really. It's like euthanasia. Aye, it breaks down if you don't think euthanasia ought be legal, but whatever.

I doubt clumps of cells are capable of thinking.

They're alive, but not people.

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:
You've got to admit, "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have nicer rings to them than "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion", albeit the latter being more accurate than the former.

Pro-life is good for loaded language and being able to say a zygote automatically gains a soul and is a form of life.

You do realize that not all pro-lifers are devoutly religious, yes?

Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.

No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.

There we go. Preemptive strike.

QFT.

Neutraligon wrote:I am pro-choice and therefor pro-life.

I'm curious, how does that work?

I am pro-life i value the life of a human a little bit more than the comfort of a woman for a few months.

Aquesta wrote:I am pro-life i value the life of a human a little bit more than the comfort of a woman for a few months.

Oh, so I guess if said woman was raped, and had to deal with being forced to go through the pain of giving birth the offspring oh her rapist, that would totally not physcologically destory her, and be totally worth it, correct?

Merizoc wrote:No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.

This^


Should there just be an abortion megathread or something? Because this topic is just constantly raised up and always ends in flames.

Metropolitan Leeds wrote:

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am pro-life.

These buzzwords such as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are some of the most loaded shit to ever be dropped on the English language.
Just use pro/anti-abortion as an alternative.

Now to answer the question, I am a "pro-choice" individual.

I can see "pro-life" being a loaded and usually-hypocritical term, but not "pro-choice".

Also, you seem to forget that some people who are pro-choice are personally anti-abortion, so if those "alternatives" you proposed are being used in a literal sense, they don't really work as well.

Sanctissima wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:I am pro-choice and therefor pro-life.

I'm curious, how does that work?

Pregnancy is difficult, pregnancy takes a lot of time and normally involves medical issues (even if they are not life threatening ones). Pregnancy is often expensive, which can interfere with the life of the woman and her family. Thus allowing women to terminate their pregnancies means she can live her life. Forcing her to go through with a pregnancy ensures she is not able to live her life in the way she wishes, possibly forcing on her medical and financial costs she is not able to deal with.

Let's clarify something here. In a way, life does begin at conception. The fetus/embryo/whatever stage it is at is 'alive'. The cells are active and performing their functions. That's it. That's basic life/ The issue is not whether its alive, its whether it is a 'person' (conscious thought, aware of surroundings etc. etc.) or not. Fetal cells are not thinking, nor are they self-aware. A woman has a right to her own body, and this is NOT a disputable fact. Abortion ought to be legal and easily accessed.