Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I am assuming you have medical treatments for those conditions? Abortion is the medical treatment for an unwanted pregnancy.

Hahaha. Life ailments vs 9 months. I would take the simulation gladly.

The real question is would you prefer to have neither if you could.

If you actually had empathy instead of this strange and misplaced desire for vengeance, then you would wish women weren't forced to suffer.

Oh any my medical treatments dont infringe a growing humans rights to life.

Neither do abortions.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Uh, no. Fuck that. You have no authority to tell a woman she has to carry a pregnancy because you have some diseases that cause pain and you live with it.

If possible i would trade my lifes ailments for just 9 months. I'm saying if people like me can live with theese diseases for live a woman can take 9 months. It's funny huh ?

If you want to go the egotistical way, fine by me, but that doesn't help your point any way possible.

[Bright Waters]

I don't think we get to do a "who's pain is greater" game. Move on

Ah, yes. The "move on" card. Honestly, that sounds like you are trying to manipulate the debate to your advantage, although I may be mistaken.

No. It's called false equivocation. Saying I have anemia, therefore I know the pain of being pregnant, is just silly

[Rhyfelnydd]

Uh, no. Fuck that. You have no authority to tell a woman she has to carry a pregnancy because you have some diseases that cause pain and you live with it.

If possible i would trade my lifes ailments for just 9 months. I'm saying if people like me can live with theese diseases for live a woman can take 9 months. It's funny huh ?

Again, your condition means about jack and shit to this matter at hand and also gives you no authority to force a woman to do something with her body against her will.

[Stellonia]

Hahaha. Life ailments vs 9 months. I would take the simulation gladly.

The real question is would you prefer to have neither if you could.

If you actually had empathy instead of this strange and misplaced desire for vengeance, then you would wish women weren't forced to suffer.

Oh any my medical treatments dont infringe a growing humans rights to life.

Neither do abortions.

Technically speaking, abortions do. A fetus is, biologically speaking, a human.

[Redsection]

Hahaha. Life ailments vs 9 months. I would take the simulation gladly. Oh any my medical treatments dont infringe a growing humans rights to life.

Again no point in discussing who is in greater pain thing, you are able to get medical treatment for you illnesses, similarly she is able to get medical treatment for her pregnancy, namely abortion. Both of you are able to get medical treatment.

I bring this up to say her medical treatements infringe a growing humans rights mine don't. Although an abortion can be used for good you must agree they can be used for wrong things. just like my medicine can. Do you see what i'm aiming at.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Uh, no. Fuck that. You have no authority to tell a woman she has to carry a pregnancy because you have some diseases that cause pain and you live with it.

If possible i would trade my lifes ailments for just 9 months. I'm saying if people like me can live with theese diseases for live a woman can take 9 months. It's funny huh ?

And we're saying we don't give a fuck about your illnesses.

[Godular]

The real question is would you prefer to have neither if you could.

If you actually had empathy instead of this strange and misplaced desire for vengeance, then you would wish women weren't forced to suffer.

Neither do abortions.

Technically speaking, abortions do. A fetus is, biologically speaking, a human.

Whose rights end the instant they become an imposition upon the rights of the woman.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The real question is would you prefer to have neither if you could.

If you actually had empathy instead of this strange and misplaced desire for vengeance, then you would wish women weren't forced to suffer.

Neither do abortions.

Technically speaking, abortions do. A fetus is, biologically speaking, a human.

Bridge.

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It's human, not a human.

Oh, and bodily sovereignty and all that jazz.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Again no point in discussing who is in greater pain thing, you are able to get medical treatment for you illnesses, similarly she is able to get medical treatment for her pregnancy, namely abortion. Both of you are able to get medical treatment.

I bring this up to say her medical treatements infringe a growing humans rights mine don't. Although an abortion can be used for good you must agree they can be used for wrong things. just like my medicine can. Do you see what i'm aiming at.

Neither does an abortion. The rights of the fetus end when they transgress on the woman's.

[Redsection]

Ah, yes. The "move on" card. Honestly, that sounds like you are trying to manipulate the debate to your advantage, although I may be mistaken.

No. It's called false equivocation. Saying I have anemia, therefore I know the pain of being pregnant, is just silly

You did.Read my posts in this thread before this.Not once do i mention myself

[Stellonia]

Technically speaking, abortions do. A fetus is, biologically speaking, a human.

Bridge.

(Image)

It's human, not a human.

Oh, please. Are we going to have a debate over the meaning of the word "a" that will ultimately result in me being reported for threadjacking?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No. It's called false equivocation. Saying I have anemia, therefore I know the pain of being pregnant, is just silly

You did.Read my posts in this thread before this.Not once do i mention myself

Big fat lie.

We have pain simulators, and pregnancy simulators. I think buzzfeed did a video with them.

cool,i already i have Arthritis,cp,Degenerative disc disease,asthma,Vitamin b12 deffeciancy,and anemia.

[Rhyfelnydd]

No. It's called false equivocation. Saying I have anemia, therefore I know the pain of being pregnant, is just silly

You did.Read my posts in this thread before this.Not once do i mention myself

Seriously..?

Uh, no. Fuck that. You have no authority to tell a woman she has to carry a pregnancy because you have some diseases that cause pain and you live with it.

If possible i would trade my lifes ailments for just 9 months. I'm saying if people like me can live with theese diseases for live a woman can take 9 months. It's funny huh ?

I am assuming you have medical treatments for those conditions? Abortion is the medical treatment for an unwanted pregnancy.

Hahaha. Life ailments vs 9 months. I would take the simulation gladly. Oh any my medical treatments dont infringe a growing humans rights to life.

[Bright Waters]

No. It's called false equivocation. Saying I have anemia, therefore I know the pain of being pregnant, is just silly

You did.Read my posts in this thread before this.Not once do i mention myself

Oh...really?

We have pain simulators, and pregnancy simulators. I think buzzfeed did a video with them.

cool,i already i have Arthritis,cp,Degenerative disc disease,asthma,Vitamin b12 deffeciancy,and anemia.

[Redsection]

I bring this up to say her medical treatements infringe a growing humans rights mine don't. Although an abortion can be used for good you must agree they can be used for wrong things. just like my medicine can. Do you see what i'm aiming at.

Neither does an abortion. The rights of the fetus end when they transgress on the woman's.

Yet her rights infringe those of a future human. People honestly need to learn other methods of sex and how to harness contrceptives properly.

[Neutraligon]

Again no point in discussing who is in greater pain thing, you are able to get medical treatment for you illnesses, similarly she is able to get medical treatment for her pregnancy, namely abortion. Both of you are able to get medical treatment.

I bring this up to say her medical treatements infringe a growing humans rights mine don't. Although an abortion can be used for good you must agree they can be used for wrong things. just like my medicine can. Do you see what i'm aiming at.

No I still do not. Abortion when done correctly (ie when the mother desires and when it is safe for her to do so) is being used for good. Her rights do not infringe on the rights of the fetus.

[Godular]

Bridge.


It's human, not a human.

Oh, please. Are we going to have a debate over the meaning of the word "a" that will ultimately result in me being reported for threadjacking?

The distinction is irrelevant anyway.

Kinda wish people would cut it out with the humanity/personhood/living thing... it isn't really pertinent to the debate...

[Rhyfelnydd]

Neither does an abortion. The rights of the fetus end when they transgress on the woman's.

Yet her rights infringe those of a future human. People honestly need to learn other methods of sex and how to harness contrceptives properly.

This has been said numerous times. it's rights end where they impose on hers.

Because contraception always works even when properly used, and people should be forced to have sex in particular ways.

[Redsection]

You did.Read my posts in this thread before this.Not once do i mention myself

Oh...really?

cool,i already i have Arthritis,cp,Degenerative disc disease,asthma,Vitamin b12 deffeciancy,and anemia.

Wow your so funny. when i said before that post i meant this main post. the one you quoted.So please look agian.

[Gayrellis]

I'd find it hard to believe one did not realize they were pregnant 6 months in. Don't people start to show by that point?

Most of the time, but there are rare exceptions. For instance women can gain a lot of weight due to changes in diet or other things that can hide the pregnancy. Some women also carry the pregnancy differently, so that they do not look pregnant. Since some women also have sporadic periods, or for other reasons think they cannot become pregnant (ie they are taking the pill) it can be missed. There was a show about it.

That's true, I watched a show once where this woman started giving birth and she thought it was just a really bad poop. True story.

If I'm not mistaken, once the fetus is viable, if the person who is pregnant wants to get rid of it, they enduce early labor and she basically gives birth like usual. So, like, ""aborting"" a fetus (the way we're conditioned to think of an abortion) this late into development isn't even really a thing.

[Redsection]

Yet her rights infringe those of a future human. People honestly need to learn other methods of sex and how to harness contrceptives properly.

This has been said numerous times. it's rights end where they impose on hers.

Because contraception always works even when properly used, and people should be forced to have sex in particular ways.

Because men put condoms in their wallet where they loose effectiveness and women skip their daily dosage of the pill, also the female condom and vaginal rings.Oh and sex is sex. If you want a sensation down there people can always use their hands.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bridge.


It's human, not a human.

Oh, please. Are we going to have a debate over the meaning of the word "a" that will ultimately result in me being reported for threadjacking?

No. "Human" is an adjective in the former, and a noun in the latter. You wouldn't consider a kidney a human, but you would call it human.

And yes, that analogy is valid. Neither a fetus nor a kidney are full humans, but they're both composed of human tissue and, wait for it, part of a human being.

Except in the fetus's case, it can only be part of a woman's body, and for limited durations, and it usually causes illness as opposed to occasionally.

[Godular]

This has been said numerous times. it's rights end where they impose on hers.

Because contraception always works even when properly used, and people should be forced to have sex in particular ways.

Because men put condoms in their wallet where they loose effectiveness and women skip their daily dosage of the pill, also the female condom and vaginal rings.Oh and sex is sex. If you want a sensation down there people can always use their hands.

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy... and again you're pulling 'Pregnancy is a punishment'.

[Bright Waters]

Oh...really?

Wow your so funny. when i said before that post i meant this main post. the one you quoted.So please look agian.

....HUH?!